Retreat?
Mary Sunshine asked, in light of the fact that men are never going to change,what we, as separatists, could ever have done and what we can do now. I’ve been thinking about this question all weekend. I haven’t really come up with any answers. The only thing that recurs to me – as opposed to occurs to me once, only to be discarded as impractical – is that separatists can’t save all women. I read somewhere, and I can’t remember where now, that separatists must come to see that male-loving women are our enemies. When I read it, at the time, I got the impression that the author considered non-separatist women to be our enemies now, going forward, but I think the truth is that they’ve always been our enemies, and we just haven’t wanted to see them as such.
The best separatists might be able to do is save ourselves. And I’m not even sure how it is we can do that, especially if we don’t at least have the understanding and cooperation of the man-lovers. Oh, it pains me. But I think we do need the man-lovers to at least agree with us that women who want nothing to do with males should have that right. They should be made to understand that to continue on the current course is not, by any means, a neutral position, so far as the ongoing devotion of female bodies and energies to males of all ages is concerned. They need to understand that this is a direct *assault* against the separatists among us, that it is to side with males against us.
What bothers me most about the necessity of separatist dependency upon non-separatists is the thought of little girls being raised in and by male-supremacist “family” units before they’re ever given a chance or a choice about freedom. Is separatism really to be denied until adulthood, except in those few cases in which a woman who has chosen separatism brings her daughters? How are we to get men’s women to agree that their daughters deserve the opportunity of separatism, even if they do not want it for themselves?
I think I need to understand better about what motivates women to, not only strive for trophy status in male supremacy – I understand why they do that – but to also actively work against other women who would rather opt out of the competition. And they don’t just prevent other indoctrinated, psychologically invaded women from forfeiting; they also actively inculcate their daughters into the mad stampede to the top of the sex-class heap. Is it possible to trust these women to present separatism as a choice to their daughters, without derision or disdain or anger? Is it possible to trust them not to exploit the favorable position they hold over separatists in male supremacy? I’m not sure that it is possible, but I’m also not sure that we have a choice.


Because if they live in that life others actively choosing something else, something better is an insult to them. I have actually experienced this as an atheist. Many conversations have gone like this, especially in my less aware days:
Moi: I don’t believe in anything like god.
Somebody else: Why not.
Moi: I think it is dumb/crazy/stupid.
Somebody else: So what, are you saying that everyone on the planet is dumb/crazy/stupid? You really think everyone on the planet could be wrong?
And so on and so forth.
This is something John Stoltenberg said about Andrea Dworkin:
Andrea was so strong that even when women were being shits to her, she was in solidarity with people called women. That was harder on me to watch women be shits to her, it kind of messed with my whole idea of what feminism was, but I kind of learned – yeah that’s what happens when you have that kind of uncompromising solidarity with women, other women don’t like it. It becomes a rebuke, it becomes a chastisement, it reminds them of their own deal made with male supremacy in a way they cannot tolerate and so they take it out on the one who reminded them of that.
I think that’s what AW was saying, just in different form.
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/03/02/090302fa_fact_levy
A horrifying article on a little piece of separatist history by Ariel Levy (speaking of metaphorical cocksuckers) from the New Yorker. You’ll notice how she calls herself (and just about everybody else) “gay.” And how she acts like it’s all in the past, like there aren’t still women driving around from women’s land to women’s land across the US. I can vouch for the fact that there are.
Oh, and there are also those of us who act from our feminist principles (or try to) rather than our “personalities.”
FFS.
You have raised many questions Margaret, and I don’t think I am any closer to any answers.
You have given me much to ponder in the meantime. Always a good thing.