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Housing, A Vicious Cycle

May 31, 2008
A woman who will be taking her G.E.D test next week told me a story about her housing situation. She has a toddler, whose father is in and out of jail, but who cares right, she had no business getting pregnant by him, it was all her fault, right? Anyway, he pays child support when he works but what will happen if his jail time ever becomes long term or permanent, it is not like social security in which the surviving parent gets benefits for the child if the parent dies. If one of the parents is in jail, no support comes. I have heard how some states pay in place of the parent and then charge the delinquent parent (if he is serving life, I guess it will become a charged off debt) but I do not know this for sure, or, if so, which states participate in this type of generosity.

After she gets her G.E.D, she will start community college. She needs a place to live. Currently she stays between relatives, none who are supportive, some who are down right abusive and all demanding more gratitude and servitude than warranted by their amount of generosity. To manage school she must secure a roof over her head. So she signed up for housing, section 8. I knew a woman a few years ago who found a nice house on section 8 but only because the owner was willing to accept section 8. Apparently, many landlords will not accept it. I think because there is red tape involved in receiving the subsidy and they do not want to bother if they can get other renters. Also, a negative stereotype accompanies section 8 recipients and landlords are not willing to see if it is true or not. In addition, by law the rent must be reasonable which contradicts the motives of most landlords.

Many housing applicants must rely on projects, –a large apartment like (or town home like or other close proximity type dwellings) complex that is financed by section 8 and more readily available than a single unit house. I remember hearing/reading rhetoric a long time ago that the purpose of extending section 8 to individual landlords was so communities could be financially diverse. Low-income people could live among working and middle class people and perhaps the ideology of upward mobility would become contagious, a concept believed more difficult to spread in a project area because of its overwhelming depressive and impenetrable ghettoization. However, I would have to argue that there are benefits for the system, the status quo to keep the projects alive. Dunbar Village comes to mind. What a convenient place to store society’s downtrodden women, thus, sociopathic men can take those women hostage and rape them repeatedly and no one will intervene. Society’s outcast men have a pressure release and society (society outside of the projects) is safe. No harm done, it is just women.

Nevertheless, none of that is the reason I am writing about this. She told me something interesting that the housing office told her. She is among the next few who will be offered housing when a unit becomes available. Incidentally, if she is offered a unit she cannot physically move in until she has the utilities in her name, which requires a substantial down payment. If she is unable to get the utilities turned on in her name in a designated amount of time, she will fall to the bottom of the list again. After falling to the bottom of the list twice she will be removed and not be eligible to go on the list again for a few years. She asked what made the units available because she was assuming people got good jobs and were able to move out. Not the case. The housing office told her that the top reasons people are thrown out of the projects are, not being able to pay their rent (with her current income her rent will be around $23 a month), not being able to maintain the utilities, allowing others to live in the unit which is a violation of the lease agreement, and/or making too much money (which in many cases is actually not enough money to live on without housing subsidy). So when these people are kicked out of housing, where do they go? If the point to providing housing is to help someone get on his or her feet and the opposite is happening, then what is really happening? It is a vicious fucking cycle.

  1. Chris permalink
    May 31, 2008 7:20 pm

    Several of the individuals that we serve have THDA Section 8 housing and it is difficult finding individual landlords willing to take part but we have started to find some success in the metro areas. In most cases for us, once someone gets Section 8, they don’t lose their qualification for it. Very few businesses are willing to offer someone with a developmental disability a job paying enough to get them out of the Section 8 level. It’s like a dead end destination for them instead of a path to something better or get back on their feet.

  2. Natasha permalink
    May 31, 2008 9:28 pm


    not only that, but now even Low paying bottom of the line jobs are protected to discriminate against the low income via the government protected ‘credit checks and background checks including mode of lifestyle checks’, meaning,

    if on assistance [and they find out which they will because many now ask] its automatic ‘undesirable do not hire’,

    so, now we have a growing segment of working poor [I’m one of them] who can’t even get Low wage jobs, because they are POOR. Forcing even more people, women especially into the sex industry [bottom scale not high end gentlemen clubs] and forcing people to live off the grid.

    The whole thing about section 8 is that its not stable, in every state and even city, they apply their ‘own laws and standards’ regardless of Federal law, and in many states Section 8 applicants /do not havc the same rights as they might have in other states…if one could even Call them rights.

    In our state, they Can and often DO cut off section 8 and even transitional housing for trivial reasons, its extremely demeaning [stratification] here in our state to women especially, men tend to have a bit more leeway of what they can get by with,

    in some states, Section 8 is literally a Jim Crow type of segregation of the poor, dividing them along racial lines perpetuating the ghettoization and division of labor among race lines…

    but worse, now Section 8, is targeted in none other than regentrification projects, under you guess it, the new upcoming ‘diversity’ under a ruse of hegemony ‘leisure class’ neighborhoods, so there are many segments/districts that did have Section 8 housings but no longer due to regentrification, and sadly this is going on in cities across the USA, thanks to the Smart Development Program [signed under none other than Bill Clinton if memory serves me correct].

    Slumlords don’t like Section 8 because yes, one its not competitive in today’s foreclosure hot overinflated rent market, and two, they have to abide by certain ‘codes’ in which,

    in majority of states, especially those with NO tenant rights such as Colorado, slumlords not only don’t Have to abide by any minimal standard of safety codes, they don’t have to abide by any,

    unless Section 8 [and even there, its the whole kiss my ass I’ll kiss yours type of thing, the joys of poverty industry], does demand some minimum code enforcement,

    most slumlords just refuse to deal with even the minimum.

    The whole thing Kitty with the utilities is just one of those clever little ‘games’ the system plays in choosing ‘who’ they want to give housing too, because the list is So long, there is preference to some groups [I wont even touch this here but any who have dealt with the system and all the b.s. know exactly what I speak of here],

    but I’ll tell you this, a big percentage of single parents they Don’t want in housing, the thinking is, if they give assisted housing to women with kids, they’ll keep ‘having kids’, or,

    they’ll get comfortable with low income housing and won’t be so willing to settle for two to three jobs working slave wages [cheap labor pool strategy] so, there is that attempt to weed out those they ‘think’ Can actually get housing via working,

    no matter how ludicrous it is, you know if you want to see the hilariousness of Fuzzy Math Principle,

    deal with the welfare/housing assistance program, they are all about FUZZY MATH PRINCIPLE, anyway,

    the utilities is a way to screen out, in other words, its a scapegoat, passing the buck in other words [they do this shit in all types of assistance], putting up near impossible barriers to where they know damn well, one doesn’t Have that kind of income to put up a huge deposit for utilities [therefore assuring Section 8 goes to more of the mobile upper ‘lower working class’ rather than underclass],

    because Utility companies won’t sign you up unless you have huge deposit, especially if you are young with little to no income. Geesh I could write a book about this shit,

    its an entire scam and why many just opt to say screw it and just find other means, not always legal mind you, but they Work a bit better, until you get caught.

    Not only that, but if they even Think you are pretty enough to work in a strip club they won’t do much for you either–

    and nobody can convince me its not deliberate, stratified in that way, it damn sure is.

    And yes, they DO kick women out all the time if they find out, one is working off the grid or not reporting all income because they nail them on the whole fraud issue, Any dollar above that way, way way below poverty line, no matter if its used for cold medicine for your kid,

    can get you kicked out faster than you can blink. And with the harsher legislation passed on TANF etc., this is only going to get worse,

    now, in most states, if a woman has had ANY prior drug convictions, even misdeameanors [sic] for like pot/or paraphanelia–

    thats grounds right there for refusal of even food stamps. Starve and punish the children, while punishing the mothers…

    but to any Government reading this, trust me, if Maoists were to ever rise up in this country,

    I’ll be on the front lines. ON that–no matter if I’m ninety years old, because I haven’t forgotten, nor will I,

    the whole deliberate warfare against women in that whole poverty industry–and if they hang those capitalists b…on poles,

    I won’t, shed one tear. NOT ONE.

    Kitty, where they go, usually living with men [other sociopaths] or in shelters, usually by that time, CPS has probably taken their kids, a lot of them wind up in sex industry, or worse,

    strung out on heroin or meth, living just place to place…dealing drugs [look at the increase just this past five years of women in prison for drug charges–dealing], at least gets you sometimes a place to shack up, most however, turn to hooking,

    even IN projects [in fact, its one of the biggest secrets in those projects…and the system damn well knows it too, they don’t care if they get that money, unless it becomes an ‘eye sore’],

    but housing to help someone on their feet–NO, its never been about that-oh sure, lip service, its a multi-billion dollar industry, [if you follow the money trail from aid to housing],

    no, its to keep the ‘undesirables’ out of the other neighborhoods, bottom line right there, its not changed since before the sixties–

    same ole politics, its just not blacks anymore. Look at the Amount of government grants and subsidies that goes into housing,

    and then, find out where it goes? Including shelters–

    and yet, we have an increasing population of homeless, especially women and children, and /or more women winding up living with abusive men…e.g., Bush’s whole marriage incentive, that Obama will yes, push forward,

    truth is, housing is being cut, and cut dry to the bone, as developers push inwards for development, that leaves the poor being forced outward and scattered,

    but, not to fret, government has that all taken care of,

    we’ve built more jails/this past year, and more are to be build…that, and cities rounding up homeless forcing them into stadiums at night–

    social experimentation at its best–they have it well mastered. The homeless, the invisible, are the genie pigs….and who misses the women and children?????

    They disappear off radar, thats what.


  3. Professor Zero permalink
    June 2, 2008 5:36 am

    Off the radar, yes. Aiiii.

  4. Natasha permalink
    June 2, 2008 6:08 am

    Thats right, off the radar,

    examples: numbers of prostitutes murdered in past five years, has increased in Nevada, CA, AZ, TX, near border, etc., media not even bothering to report…

    numbers of homeless women, raped and killed [and homeless men but women more so], across this country–has soared, again, media not reporting, they are John and Jane Does, nobody cares…invisible, therefore, why spend the tax dollars to hunt down the killers, thats the logic tragically

    numbers of indeginous (sic) women right now being raped, multilated (sic) in lower part of CA, AZ, NM, have increased past three years that I know of, again, media not covering much, if at all, no one cares, its easy for system to lump them as drug traffickers-illegals

    numbers of Native American Women and Ingenious women being raped and killed in North part of America/and in Canada, numbers have been increasing, media doesn’t report it much if at all, and some have reported deliberate cover ups and even police cover ups…

    these are just a few examples, if need be I can give more detailed examples, by case and by name, as some advocacy groups are tracking these murders,

    so, off the radar, is right. Those not killed, often times are arrested repeatedly for loitering [being homeless] and then, many of them charged with drug trafficking/being mules, etc., how many of these are actually accurate charges, who knows? But our prison and jail population, has more than doubled, women especially,

    for even minor drug charges.

    Is all this just happening by chance, or by a deliberate stratification to cut down on the labor pool? [take into consideration job insourcing–cheap labor, and job outsourcing, more cheap labor/Ricardo effect, trade agreements, etc, and, also take into consideration, how much of the State’s purchases of furniture, etc., are made, via prison labor….privatization of prisons, interesting–for what Reason and who benefits from?]

    Our government has had years of social experimentation in South America, Central America and Mexico, via support through military training/police training, etc., in which not only were people terrorized, but disappeared , the poorest of the poor–

    and in fact, its still going on, Mexico and now the Death Squads in Brazil–chance,

    no, I don’t think so, not in the least. The invisible are the easiest ones to rid of…and most won’t even notice. Dehumanize and criminalize them first using social psyops, then stratify to where they are either in ghettos or unseen,

    then, when necessary, move them out to pave the way of progress, that means to an end. And, the homeless, women and children especially–who would even notice, except maybe for a few family members if they even have that?

    More so, who even cares? Because its so unbelievable, its quite easy to carry out, remember, this is the country that Human Right and unreasonable punishments are not to be tolerated…

    but now we have Guatanamo Bay [sic], HOW many Americans rotting there now?

    Off the radar, damn right.

    and one doesn’t have to be a conspiracist to believe it..all one has to do is pay attention…

  5. momo permalink
    June 2, 2008 5:58 pm

    The 1996 “welfare reform act” reshuffled the deck but it didn’t make things better.

  6. Anji permalink
    June 3, 2008 12:20 pm

    It’s not just when the absent parent is in prison that no money comes in. My ex started university about a year ago and thus is exempt from paying. I just sit there and think wait, what? You’re telling me that because my ex is going to a few lectures a week, my kid suddenly doesn’t cost as much to raise? It’s just ridiculous.

  7. Kitty Glendower permalink
    June 3, 2008 4:12 pm

    Anji, I know it does nothing for your child while the weasel is in school, I’m sorry. Could you tell me, is the debt accumulated, as in will he have to pay it still, just later, or are those years simply erased?

  8. Natasha permalink
    June 3, 2008 9:30 pm


    who has told you he doesn’t have to pay while in school? Because that is false–not only that, but child support obligations can effect grants as well as loans,

    my spouse had to pay while in school, and even now while paying back loans, child support is NOT something one can postpone…its obligatory.

    It doesn’t matter if he’s student or not–they can Force him to work to pay something,

    I’d check with the child support enforcement on that…because that is incorrect info, go to the Head of your state’s child support enforcement–and contact the financial aid office of his university and ask to see the President of the University…

    they do base child support on income, but if he’s getting grants/and loans–thats income,

    and there IS work study. Going to university does not allow neglecting of parental obligations, and I know, they can even keep him from going if he’s using school as a way out of his parental duties….

  9. Kitty Glendower permalink
    June 3, 2008 10:23 pm

    Tasha, I think Anji is in the UK right now.

  10. Anji permalink
    June 4, 2008 9:56 am

    You’re right Kitty I’m in the UK and here, full-time students are exempt from paying child support. I got a letter from the CSA (Child Support Agency, the government organisation that deals with this stuff) saying he had been ordered to pay zero.

    And no, the debt doesn’t accumulate. I won’t get anything until he leaves university, even though he works right now alongside studying.

  11. Natasha permalink
    June 4, 2008 3:35 pm

    Oh, OK,

    got ya, well Anji, first can totally relate to your frustration there, my ex [first] was from UK…Torquay area, so, I’m a tiny bit acquainted with the UK system, tiny bit…

    Canada I hear is not much better, but you know we have laws here, but they work more for the benefit of paying back state welfare roles, which is why child support enforcement was really kicked in here–

    it has NOTHING to do with concern/welfare of women or children–it was to pay back the government/federal gov for welfare monies, which is why,

    ironically, our family judicial system is as screwed up as it is. I am also or have worked with the Father’s Rights in visitation here [and yes I’m a rad feminist] because I’m on both sides of the coin in that whole issue, and I’ve seen the gender bias on Both sides, but now we are seeing more women, who have lost custody that are being criminalized/paying child support putting them into poverty to men who make three times the income and are remarried, and they too can get by with refusing visitation, so forth [there is absolutely no penalty for refusing visitation in this country, whatsoever, and many do refuse just out of sheer spite, but miss child support–you can go to jail–and its the children who suffer],

    but anyway, its all based on benefiting the upper classes anyway, the low income, even if they do get child support–its so small or the state gets it, its not likely to pull them out of poverty. Its just a vicious cycle in itself,

    I know UK Used to have this milk money thing every month and daycare [or I thought they had] assistance…

    how is that now? I know so much has changed since the EU/cuts in programs, etc. I’m curious because I know Canada’s student loan system is about as screwed up as ours, throwing god knows how many into pauperville once they have to start paying, how is UK on that? And how does he plan on paying once those payments for loans kick in? The loans alone are a sure fire way into poverty–unless one can get into field and work as expat overseas or something…even that is fickle,

    yea its tough, I have talked to some women in the far left parties when I was active in that from UK and Ireland, in some ways UK is advanced and in some ways its worse, in regards to Women’s rights, but its no doubt the same types of infrastructure to keep women subjugated and economically dependent,

    thats worldwide for sure.

  12. Natasha permalink
    June 5, 2008 6:10 am

    Alert: in regards to the whole ‘off the radar’ thing…

    this is a bit off topic, but it merits attention, in how it relates to the gov and the stratification of homeless, etc.,

    I’ve written some on the other aims of war in regards to special ops/weapons experimentation,urban warfare–not sure how many of you have been paying attention to the Astronomical martial police state the city of Denver is preparing against the protesters of ReCreate 68–thousands of Tasor guns ordered [our lovely torture devices the US of A has been selling China for a decade at least–see Amnesty International], yea, so much for Human Rights,

    well, just came in, via IWW…looks like I wasn’t crazy after all, I find this interesting, right before the DNC too—[I support none of the candidates btw, but them, I’m anarchist, but anyhow],

    This IS something that merits some Serious, reflection, especially in light of our lovely benavolent (sic) and friendly big brother, er, I mean, police state…

    Marines bringing combat training to Indy
    By Vic Ryckaert
    Posted: May 28, 2008

    U.S. Marine helicopters will land at the old Eastgate Consumer Mall, Brookside Park and other Indianapolis locations when the city becomes a mock battlefield next week.
    About 2,300 Marines from the 26th Marine Expeditionary Unit, based at Camp Lejeune, N.C., will conduct urban warfare training from Wednesday through June 19 in and around Indianapolis.

    Most of the troops will be deployed at the Indiana State Fairgrounds and the Raytheon facility on Holt Road, said Debbi Fletcher of the Indianapolis/Marion County Emergency Management Agency.

    “We don’t want anyone thinking that there’s an invasion happening or that we declared martial law or something like that,” Fletcher said.

    The Marines have been cleared by state, federal and local authorities, Fletcher said. The unit’s commander promised to try to keep noise to a minimum and give neighbors plenty of warning.

    “Our aim in Indianapolis is to expose our Marines to realistic scenarios and stresses posed by operating in an actual urban community, thereby increasing their proficiency in built-up areas,” Col. Mark J. Desens, commander of the 26th MEU, said in a statement. “While some of the activity will take place around Camp Atterbury, residents in many areas can expect to see helicopters flying overhead, military vehicles on the roads and Marines patrolling on foot,” Desens said.

    The Marines will practice firing weapons, conducting patrols, running vehicle checkpoints, reacting to ambushes and employing nonlethal weapons, according to a statement.

    In addition to Eastgate and Brookside Park, Indianapolis offered the Marines 24 other training sites, including Raymond Park Middle School, Ellenberger Park, Christian Park, Southeastway Park, the old Bush Stadium and Douglass Park.

    However, not all cities are so open to the training. In February, after first canceling scheduled training, Toledo (Ohio) Mayor Carty Finkbeiner invited the Marines to train in the city, but outside the downtown area.

    The Associated Press contributed to this story.
    Call Star reporter Vic Ryckaert at (317) 444-2761.


    wonder how many homeless they moved out for this…exercise in urban, hmmm,

    kind of intimidating isn’t it?

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