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Mary Winkler Gets Custody of Her Children

August 4, 2008
Mary Winkler lost custody of her daughters after being indicted for the murder of her husband, a sadistic rapist, a pornography hound, and all around abusive jerk. She was convicted of voluntary manslaughter. I’ve written about Mary Winkler before in this entry. I am glad she has custody because it is my belief that her husband learned his evil ways from his father. It has been the children’s paternal grandparents who have tried to keep her daughters away. Hopefully, the grandfather has not sexually or physically abused the daughters yet. It will already take a lifetime to correct the emotional abuse they have suffered. Nothing can convince me that the grandparents did not try to turn the children against their mother.

“These young ladies have not expressed any desire to be with their mother or her family,” said Dan Winkler in 2007.

The Winkler’s filed appeals in an effort to stop Mary Winkler from having supervised visits and phone calls with her daughter.

But now, a source said they have turned over custody to the girls’ mother.

This is being called the first step to full custody, although no official court order has been filed.

It’s unclear why the Winkler’s suddenly turned over custody of the girls.

Hmmm. Maybe the trade was to keep the girls from talking about grandpa.

4 Comments
  1. Natasha permalink
    August 5, 2008 5:01 pm

    Or they couldn’t ‘control’ them either,

    this is such a tragic story and more tragic is that this happens more than many want to see. And its proof why there should be ZERO TOLERANCE for any cultural relativism that says culture or religion is off limits when it comes to abuse of women and children

    or to anyone for that matter, i.e., workers, minorities, those who aren’t of the faith, etc.

    And not only will these children be scared they will have lifetime of dealing with anti-social behaviors because they won’t ever trust the SYSTEM again, ever,

    because the SYSTEM, tolerates this garbage. Any one with a reasonable mind and hearing just one part of the abuse that Mary endured, would in no way allow that kind of mental and physical environment for any child–

    but hey, the ACLU fought to protect the rights of the LDS raping child cult–and they returned those girls back to those rapes,

    who KNOWs what dark abuse goes on behind those fences.

    Same with the tolerance of the abuses within Islamic communities–they know, they just rationalize and give ‘excuse’

    and hundreds of children in THIS COUNTRY, are left to suffer,

    as a survivor of child abuse, I have no respect for the system or for cultural relativists–none, NONE, and I HATE them, and I DO MEAN HATE, more than I do my past abuser,

    and whats Worse, is the EXPLOITIVE INDUSTRIES that make MILLIONS off of messed up individuals because of abuse and the ‘silence’ and ‘indifference’ of society, that allows it to continue,

    be it religion or culture or ideology–they allow it. They allow, they rationalize, they justify,

    but let me assure you, that PAIN and FEAR one can never just

    rationalize away. These children yes, will have so many psychological problems, and physical ones too because that kind of trauma is manifested physically, not just mentally.

    And this is why, there should be NO EXCUSE OR PROTECTION OF ABUSE OF WOMEN OR CHILDREN

    UNDER ANY RELIGION, PERIOD. And those who rationalize or try to soften it,

    are Just as much the abusers as the man or woman–that is doing the abusing. And while I don’t concur with the Nanny Police State, because children are just as much likely to be abused in the State systems,

    we need change. Not just using these issues as a means to persecute religions, but to set standards and laws that allow no exceptions of child abuse or domestic violence or any other abusive subjugate treatment of women or even the environment of–those children should have NEVER been turned over to the grandparents, not with the testimonies that came out,

    and not with the outcome due to the Violence that Mary endured. But they did–the system turned those children over to the grandparents without extreme investigation–and they did so, to send a message to all women,

    you defend yourself or get to that place where you say NO MORE to the abuse–you’ll be punished severely for defying your subjugated ‘status’,

    women serve far more time in prison for self defense than men do for rape, child rape, murder of women and children,

    and in some countries–men aren’t punished at all because child rape and abuse of women is totally sanctioned AND ORDAINED BY RELIGIOUS LAWS.

    There needs to be A MILITANT ABOLITIONIST MOVEMENT FOR WOMEN AND CHILDREN,

    because we are seeing more and more cases like Mary’s and not just in Christianity or Cults–and CULTURE IS NO EXCUSE EITHER–

    zero tolerance, we need zero tolerance, there is a REASON why societies that condone and allow these kinds of abuses have children they can mold into raping and killing machines–when that violence against women and children is normalized it is then possible to turn victims of violence into violent cogs as well…

    and it all goes right back to ‘control’. Some man’s control, even some woman’s control, some god’s control, some system, some political ideology, some junta, legal system, theocratic fascism, but it always goes back to ‘control’.

    Violence against women and children IS TOTALITARIAN–and the more its normalized,

    the more SOCIETY BECOMES TOTALITARIAN IN THOUGHT AND DEED.

    Because the minds have been molded–by fear, and by hate.

    And it Is one reason, why we see, in expansionist ideologies, be they political or religious, embracing or ‘excusing’ woman and child abuse.

  2. Natasha permalink
    August 5, 2008 5:01 pm

    Or they couldn’t ‘control’ them either,

    this is such a tragic story and more tragic is that this happens more than many want to see. And its proof why there should be ZERO TOLERANCE for any cultural relativism that says culture or religion is off limits when it comes to abuse of women and children

    or to anyone for that matter, i.e., workers, minorities, those who aren’t of the faith, etc.

    And not only will these children be scared they will have lifetime of dealing with anti-social behaviors because they won’t ever trust the SYSTEM again, ever,

    because the SYSTEM, tolerates this garbage. Any one with a reasonable mind and hearing just one part of the abuse that Mary endured, would in no way allow that kind of mental and physical environment for any child–

    but hey, the ACLU fought to protect the rights of the LDS raping child cult–and they returned those girls back to those rapes,

    who KNOWs what dark abuse goes on behind those fences.

    Same with the tolerance of the abuses within Islamic communities–they know, they just rationalize and give ‘excuse’

    and hundreds of children in THIS COUNTRY, are left to suffer,

    as a survivor of child abuse, I have no respect for the system or for cultural relativists–none, NONE, and I HATE them, and I DO MEAN HATE, more than I do my past abuser,

    and whats Worse, is the EXPLOITIVE INDUSTRIES that make MILLIONS off of messed up individuals because of abuse and the ‘silence’ and ‘indifference’ of society, that allows it to continue,

    be it religion or culture or ideology–they allow it. They allow, they rationalize, they justify,

    but let me assure you, that PAIN and FEAR one can never just

    rationalize away. These children yes, will have so many psychological problems, and physical ones too because that kind of trauma is manifested physically, not just mentally.

    And this is why, there should be NO EXCUSE OR PROTECTION OF ABUSE OF WOMEN OR CHILDREN

    UNDER ANY RELIGION, PERIOD. And those who rationalize or try to soften it,

    are Just as much the abusers as the man or woman–that is doing the abusing. And while I don’t concur with the Nanny Police State, because children are just as much likely to be abused in the State systems,

    we need change. Not just using these issues as a means to persecute religions, but to set standards and laws that allow no exceptions of child abuse or domestic violence or any other abusive subjugate treatment of women or even the environment of–those children should have NEVER been turned over to the grandparents, not with the testimonies that came out,

    and not with the outcome due to the Violence that Mary endured. But they did–the system turned those children over to the grandparents without extreme investigation–and they did so, to send a message to all women,

    you defend yourself or get to that place where you say NO MORE to the abuse–you’ll be punished severely for defying your subjugated ‘status’,

    women serve far more time in prison for self defense than men do for rape, child rape, murder of women and children,

    and in some countries–men aren’t punished at all because child rape and abuse of women is totally sanctioned AND ORDAINED BY RELIGIOUS LAWS.

    There needs to be A MILITANT ABOLITIONIST MOVEMENT FOR WOMEN AND CHILDREN,

    because we are seeing more and more cases like Mary’s and not just in Christianity or Cults–and CULTURE IS NO EXCUSE EITHER–

    zero tolerance, we need zero tolerance, there is a REASON why societies that condone and allow these kinds of abuses have children they can mold into raping and killing machines–when that violence against women and children is normalized it is then possible to turn victims of violence into violent cogs as well…

    and it all goes right back to ‘control’. Some man’s control, even some woman’s control, some god’s control, some system, some political ideology, some junta, legal system, theocratic fascism, but it always goes back to ‘control’.

    Violence against women and children IS TOTALITARIAN–and the more its normalized,

    the more SOCIETY BECOMES TOTALITARIAN IN THOUGHT AND DEED.

    Because the minds have been molded–by fear, and by hate.

    And it Is one reason, why we see, in expansionist ideologies, be they political or religious, embracing or ‘excusing’ woman and child abuse.

  3. The Fabulous Kitty Glendower permalink
    August 5, 2008 6:23 pm

    And this is why, there should be NO EXCUSE OR PROTECTION OF ABUSE OF WOMEN OR CHILDREN

    UNDER ANY RELIGION, PERIOD. And those who rationalize or try to soften it,

    Yes indeed.

    You are preaching it today Natasha. This is your area. This is your calling. Keep speaking out.

  4. Natasha permalink
    August 7, 2008 4:22 pm

    THANK YOU! 🙂

    I wrote on this today, well,

    this, doing investigative report–about the Tyson Union replacing Labor Day–

    our new ‘compulsory’ religion of patriarch and male rape entitlement

    http://wami-womenagainstmaleimperialism.blogspot.com/2008/08/hypocrisy-of-aclu-left-and-christian.html

    feel free to pass it around [yes I’m a potty mouth and offensive as hell–oh well, LOL]

    🙂

    Natasha

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