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One Vote for Misogynist of the Year: Twisty/Jill

May 29, 2009

So, before Twisty’s lobe regenerates and she comes back here throwing her big syllables around, let me, Jill, say the thing I came out to say: I’m damned glad you guys are taking this feminism thing seriously. Really. [Ah, thanks for patronizing us little kitties, it is so heartwarming when busted hypocrites pat our little heads] Nothing could be more heartwarming, except, possibly, certain heartwarming nature crap, than that there exist women who are able to grasp that “cuntalina” is an antifeminist slur [Yes, it is Einstein. If you knew this then why did you use it?].

But seriously, get off my fucking case already with this hypervigilant radfem hall monitor shit. The policey, self-righteous, gotcha bullshit around here generally is chapping my entire hide.[Oh shit, Queen Twisty is mad, clear the intertubes everyone, make a hole and bow down and kiss the ring, how dare the Queen of Gotcha get got with her own misogynist bullshit] When and if I commit some egregious ideological error that threatens the very fabric of the cosmos [Fuck off. You don’t get to raise the bar with hyperbole. You displayed misogyny and that’s that. What’s next, we should be lucky we are not living in Saudi Arabi? Using your logic, only misogyny that threatens the fabric of the cosmos is worthy of scorn. How grand of you. Ever heard of the slow drip. Eventurally a gallon is lost] I’ll make Twisty fucking cop to it [When hell freezes over, I’m sure], as you fucking well know if you’ve been reading this blog for more than five minutes [Yeah right]. But this cuntalina uproar is fucking absurd [It is only absurd if you think women are cunts]. Jayzus in a jetpack [Corny].

In conclusion: I’m not your fucking enemy [Yes you are. The second you employ misogyny, you are dealing with me (and other women) from the side of the enemy, –you know, the patriarchy], my dear asses [Better an ass than a misogynist], but if you like to think otherwise, I invite you to demand explanations and nominate Twisty for Misogynist of the Year [Well, it may be a close race with Satsuma, but you both can give it a good run] to your heart’s content on some other fucking blog [this is the some other fucking blog, your royal ass]. The BDSMers hate Twisty, too, and will be happy to join you there.[Oh please, Twisty/Jill, don’t try the enemy of my enemy is my friend Fred Phelps’  silencing  technique. It just makes you look desperate.]

Oh my, the goddess on high was caught being an insufferable misogynist ass and is now trying to save face by displaying her nasty little hipster disdain. Well you know what? Feminists don’t call women cuntalinas, but do you know who does?

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Of course, this is what we get when gimmicks (self indulged wannabe icons) are held up as feminist leaders. Instead of admitting she was wrong she will continue in this vein, and sycophants who could care less about women will make excuses for her. Just like women who call feminists lesbophobes because they have the audacity to point out the misogyny used by a woman, who happens to be a lesbian. Yes, I am still pissed. Fucking hypocrites.

21 Comments
  1. May 29, 2009 5:41 am

    Oh and I love love love love the way Earth Mommy cannot bother to support feminists on daily threads and such, you know like comment at times other than when feminists are in-fighting, but let a row develop, and she is right there playing the good woman, and incidentally she always sides with the person who most resembles the oppressor, —such as white women with money who without a doubt hold capitalist and middle class values, and, I may add, Earth Mommy will always side with the opposition of the women who will not kiss her ass. Coincidence?

    Let the row die down, and her ass is gone until the next time. Transparency much? She does not have any staying power. No, she can only exert energy when it adds to her image as the good all encompassing I will save you from those bad people Earth Mommy role.

    Just call me Cassandra since so many of you want to dismiss it as personality conflicts instead of seeing the big picture. With “feminists” who excuse and rationalize misogyny, why do we bother to blame men? And I am so laughing (har har) at the prospect of a grievance at work or school or somewhere else, since I fucking lived through one. “Why are you blaming us [men] for calling you a bitch, whore, cunt, and/or contaminated? It is perfectly okay; because I asked the local feminist and she said there was nothing wrong with those words, that she uses them herself, so fuck you, you contaminated-cuntalina.”

  2. May 29, 2009 5:56 am

    Just call me Cassandra since so many of you want to dismiss it as personality conflicts instead of seeing the big picture.

    I am bored/disillusioned with internet feminism, seriously. It really seems to be some sort power grab (on many sides) to attain the (fictitious) rank of Supreme Feminist. It seems to be more about creating factions than anything else (something that others accuse me of creating of maintaining).

    As far as the big picture goes, none of these strategies are going to work.

  3. May 29, 2009 6:17 am

    Well you know what Stormy, I don’t want any power, nor does Margie. We have our personal power. But if by power you are referring to icon status, no, we don’t, we have talked about how ridiculous it is for years. And, I may add we have deliberately discouraged comments that imply or may lead to internet worship. Also, we know judging by how many people flock to us and read what we have to say but cannot bother to soil themselves with public association of us, we perfectly understand where we will always be in the pecking order. Therefore, without desire and/or means (because as a whole people just don’t like our we have our own personal power attitude) we are free to be happy with equality, you know, that once radical concept. For us, it is all about equality among women. However, I will admit I can be petty. In addition to being petty, I cannot let go of something when I feel like I have been wronged. Because I spoke up and pointed out Satsuma’s misogyny, I was barred from the forum without even an email from Rain, although I have not personally said anything about/to Rain. Rain is being a hypocrite and she knows it. She supposedly has a gut full here and there but incidentally her gut only seems to be full of certain people and not others. And, if you don’t like so and so’s misogyny and dare to say something about it, you are a lesbophobe. LESBOPHOBE!

    I personally, nor Margie (I include her because I am speaking for this blog) have never confronted/introduced something regarding a woman (in the media, fictitious or someone in the femosphere) by labeling them cuntalina, contaminated or bitch. Yet, we are the bad ones for expecting feminists not to use misogyny. We are being called lesbophobes, the biggest insult a woman-loving feminist can be called, without just cause. But, but, I am to just accept it and not defend myself. You know, like it is so wrong to move around in self-valuing groups.

    So here is how it has been.

    We had a problem because it was all about personality differences, nothing to do with the wrongness of what was said.

    No, it is because we are jealous because lesbians don’t want us. (This by the way was a big OMFG, how sexist can you get to sum my whole existence up to my fuckability).

    No, it is because we are heterosexual (even though many don’t call themselves that) mean girls who enjoy cornering lesbians in the bathroom and beating them up.

    No, it is because we have a hidden agenda.

    No, it is because we are lesbophobes.

    No, it is because we want power.

    What about no, we don’t fucking appreciate the MISOGYNY! used by the very people we thought was working for/on the same team.

  4. atheistwoman permalink
    May 29, 2009 9:56 am

    “What about no, we don’t fucking appreciate the MISOGYNY! used by the very people we thought was working for/on the same team.”

    Yes, it should not be so particularly hard to grasp.

  5. May 29, 2009 11:15 am

    I don’t understand what’s so hard about saying, “yes, that was misogynist and if I’d been thinking I wouldn’t have said it.” Or, “yes, I’ve changed my mind about some things,” for that matter.

    As for “power,” shit. I mean, *I wish men didn’t exist*. There’s no wrangling any “I’m the best of the *good women*” tripe out of that. The opinions I hold have absolutely *no* power, no societal backing, hell, not much in the way of feminist and so-called separatist backing either. If I were after power, I’d be tailoring my message in order to appease the greatest numbers of women. I’d be talking about how little boys and/or transgendered men belong in women’s spaces. I’d be talking about how the males just can’t help being misogynists because they were *raised* to be misogynists, so we have to cut them a little slack and figure out how to raise them differently. I’d be talking about all the “good men” I know, and what a good little converter of men into mimickers and appropriators of feminism I am. And I’d be excusing misogyny left and right.

    Or, maybe I’d only be excusing it when rich white women – like Twisty and that Sheila character – displayed it. That seems to work for most of the women I’m talking about. Because none of these women had a damn thing to say about Renee being “attacked” when I called her out for very similar behavior to what’s being discussed with regard to Twisty right now.

    • May 29, 2009 1:29 pm

      That’s just it, it is not about the good of all women, it is about protecting/promoting/loving/respecting some women, and that some usually have similar identifying characteristics. And we aren’t to notice. How can one trust a movement when all (talking women here) are not treated equally.

  6. atheistwoman permalink
    May 29, 2009 11:29 am

    “Renee being “attacked””

    Nice catch. I completely missed that. Yes, where was the earth mama then?

  7. undercover punk permalink
    May 29, 2009 1:29 pm

    Kitty, I’m laughing my ass off over here!

    I agree, internet feminism is kinda ridiculous. Y’all know I haven’t been here too long, but the undercurrents of power-grabbing are undeniable. Whether this is a recent development, I couldn’t say. I’m here as a kind of self-therapy. I’m no Earth Mommy!

    I know you don’t like idolatry, but I DO believe in giving credit where credit is due. When you’re good, you’re good! And Kitty, Margie, you are both feminist Truth Tellers. Running into you over at IBTP is the best internet-feminist thing that’s ever happened to me. Thanks for being so consistently fabulous. I hope you don’t mind my saying so.

  8. May 29, 2009 2:18 pm

    Yes, I’m sick of this iconic crap myself. Mother Superior Feminist. Meh.

    I, for one, want to get called on my shit. I may balk and pout and get pissed, but I usually calm down eventually. And I’m a smart person and pretty intuitive about people, and I can tell if the criticism was given constructively or destructively.

    I want to make improvement in all areas of my life. If someone saw me playing my ukulele and said, “You’re holding it wrong. You’re strumming wrong,” I wouldn’t say, “Quit bashing me and piling on.” I would want to know.

    And Margie, good catch on that Renee thing. We’re allowed to pile on Renee b/c she’s black, but we can’t pile on Twisty because she’s white (and has money).

    I, for one, don’t want to pile on anyone. I just want to feel safe in the feminist blogosphere. If feminists start calling women c*nts, then where can I go where my sex is not disrespected?

    • May 29, 2009 3:52 pm

      Or if not because she is black (I am making this clarification because I don’t to flippantly call someone a racist), it is okay to “pile on” her or not speak up when she is the topic of our criticism, because she is on the other side, you know, the sex pozzies and the trans-sexuals, etc. Talk about agendas, it seems that when a woman is on the “wrong side” all bets are off. But no not really, it all has to do with what woman. Which is not what feminism is all about. Of course, I will not eagerly go and defend Renee when she is being criticized, no, I would not, I would stay out of it, instead of aiding people if they started using misogyny against her. Criticizing is one thing, using misogyny another. Men blur the line because that is how they operate, there is no excuse for a woman who claims to be a feminist to use misogyny.

      Trust me when I say I know what I am talking about. Once when I was trying to help a young woman most every thing she said or did made me think “whore” in my mind. “Whore whore whore whore!” I had sense enough not to let her hear it (although times before I was not that considerate to other women), and I wrestled with it 24/7 to rid myself of the thought, because I knew I could not really help her if I could not stop thinking of her as a whore. A whore, as in it is all her fault that she is a whore and what she is suffering is because she is a whore. Only now, not then, can I see the uselessness in that way of thinking. I was stuck, unable to help her or myself until I understood why whore came to my mind and whom I was really identifying with.

  9. May 29, 2009 2:25 pm

    Also, what bothered me more than her initial use of the word, was her response when being called out on it. Very telling. *Very* telling.

  10. May 29, 2009 2:30 pm

    If I were after power, I’d

    …be sucking dick.

    Don’t forget that one. The coinage of “dickist” was a fine, fine day on this here blog.

    and, I may add, Earth Mommy will always side with the opposition of the women who will not kiss her ass. Coincidence?

    No. You nailed it. I needed the intervention of a certain someone to stop making excuses for her. I wish others would have their consciousness similarly raised. There’s a certain type that can never do anything but cause problems between other women and the sooner we figure out who those people are, the better off we’ll be.

  11. Mary Sunshine permalink
    May 29, 2009 2:45 pm

    It’s a constant process of catching up with reality.

    Every day, you go out to the barn and pick up the manure fork.

  12. May 29, 2009 4:41 pm

    Now Earth Mommy is singling out lesbian feminists as the only women who have been accused of misogyny. Yeah right. Non-lesbians women have been called out for their misogyny as well. But it is us poisoning the well, not the Earth Mommy who is trying with all her might to convince everyone that it is lesbians that are being specifically targeted. Who is really trying to divide and conquer? And again, who only comes out when there is feminist in-fighting. How much more obvious does it need to be?

  13. atheistwoman permalink
    May 29, 2009 5:30 pm

    And also how is their response to our response not also a pile-on, if a pile-on is merely disagreeing with someone?

    • May 29, 2009 5:48 pm

      So here is how it has been.

      We had a problem because it was all about personality differences, nothing to do with the wrongness of using misogyny.

      No, it is because we are jealous because lesbians don’t want us. (This by the way was a big OMFG, how sexist can you get to sum a woman’s whole existence up to her fuckability).

      No, it is because we are heterosexual (even though many don’t call themselves that) mean girls who enjoy cornering lesbians in the bathroom and beating them up.

      No, it is because we have a hidden agenda.

      No, it is because we are lesbophobes.

      No, it is because we want power.

      No, it is a matter of schadenfreude for the women asking for that acknowledgment. (Since WHEN is acknowledging one’s mistakes a matter of “shame” UNLESS the woman being asked to apologize feels as though it’s a blow to her ego to admit she ever made a fucking mistake!!)

      No, it is a matter of sadistic piling on.

      No, it is because __________________________________ (more to come)

      No, it is because ___________________________________(more to come)

      No, it is because ___________________________________ (more to come)

      Still haven’t heard, no, we don’t fucking appreciate the MISOGYNY! used by the very people we thought was working for/on the same team. Feminists are asking other feminists to acknowledge the misogyny in the words used, has NOTHING to do with some feminists being glad that such and such has been exposed as a misogynist! It has to do with them HOPING she didn’t mean it! And it has to do with them welcoming her as a woman who makes mistakes just like they do. But of course male-identified self-hating feminists want no such welcome.

  14. May 29, 2009 10:39 pm

    Oh wow, have you read the comments on Jill’s post? Everyone is throwing around “cuntalina” left and right like it’s the new thing, and posting comments like this:

    Certainly Twisty’s word usage was in keeping with her usual style of sardonic expression, which is informed by an underlying wealth of cultural knowledge/analysis.

    Usually, she is applauded for this very feat; now she is met with censure. The objection seems completely off. I read “cuntalina” as a fairly idiosyncratic Twisty expression.

    Someone used the words “feminist luminary” to describe her. I find that very apt. I have been inspired and informed by her for years.
    In light of that fact, I am impressed by those whose intellectual honesty compelled them to be critical of their superhero.

    Just … wow. Is it that hard to grasp that calling a woman a cunt is misogynistic, no matter who is doing it?

    • undercover punk permalink
      May 29, 2009 11:14 pm

      The commenters are sleep-walking. Their blind adoration is, maybe not entirely unexpected, but nevertheless, extremely disturbing. Most of the comments contribute nothing to the discussion–which, IMHO, should be about accountability and humanity and power dynamics! I guess that’s why we’re here @ AROOO, huh? Thank goddess.
      And now she’s saying that Jill is an idiot and we should disregard the Cuntalinagate post! Is she serious?? And she is.

    • May 29, 2009 11:22 pm

      Yeah, you know, just like hipster racism one cannot be surprised that hipster sexism is adored. No woman is seem worthy to the menz unless she is willing to throw women under the bus. It is all one big parody. With no concern in mind but being the kewlest, the snarkiest (which is nothing more than being mean. Funny, though we have been called the mean ones). The sad thing is, there are people there who do think she is serious feminism. It is a vicious cycle all over. She is the substitute for the asshole man they are in between. A step up if you will. This is the same fucking author who said women would be fools to move around in self-valuing groups. It is all a joke, and if you don’t play along you are fill in the blank (the rationalizations are piling up, so we can take our pick).

    • May 29, 2009 11:23 pm

      Appalling, isn’t it?

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