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Open Thread 24

October 2, 2009


  1. October 2, 2009 5:03 pm

    Any good links?

    • October 2, 2009 6:13 pm

      Nope. And you would think that the lack of good reading material would make me spend less time online. I guess I’m a wishful thinker.

    • Mary Sunshine permalink
      October 2, 2009 7:18 pm

      Margaret, you spend too much time online because you hate being where you are, surrounded by the humanoids that you are, surrounded by and doing what you’re (supposed to be) doing.

      I mean, that’s why *I* spend too much time online. And I even have good dead-tree reading material.

      It’s The Search For Intelligent Life In The Universe. A nervous twitch that can last for decades.

    • Mary Sunshine permalink
      October 2, 2009 7:25 pm

      Here’s a little light reading / viewing:

    • October 2, 2009 7:40 pm

      God, I can’t stand the way they make the mass rape of Congolese women to be some kind of aberration in history. This is what men do, what they have done throughout history. It’s what they like to do. No one is going to tell me a big 13-year-old boy doesn’t know that what he’s doing is wrong *at the moment that he’s doing it* when he’s raping, brutalizing, mutilating these girls and women, and leaving them for dead. Every single one of them knows it’s wrong, and they do it anyway because they enjoy it.

    • October 2, 2009 7:48 pm

      I’m listening to Voltaire’s Candide right now (only twenty minutes in), and this is what I hear:

      At length, while the two kings were causing Te Deums to be sung in their camps, Candide took a resolution to go and reason somewhere else upon causes and effects. After passing over heaps of dead or dying men, the first place he came to was a neighboring village, in the Abarian territories, which had been burned to the ground by the Bulgarians, agreeably to the laws of war. Here lay a number of old men covered with wounds, who beheld their wives dying with their throats cut, and hugging their children to their breasts, all stained with blood. There several young virgins, whose bodies had been ripped open, after they had satisfied the natural necessities of the Bulgarian heroes, breathed their last; while others, half burned in the flames, begged to be despatched out of the world. The ground about them was covered with the brains, arms, and legs of dead men.

      Candide made all the haste he could to another village, which belonged to the Bulgarians, and there he found the heroic Abares had enacted the same tragedy.

      My bold.

      Of course it is satire. However, satire at the time was written to expose the truth, and the truth it does expose. Rape is what men do.

  2. October 2, 2009 5:21 pm

    Ha Ha Chicago lost their widdle Olympics bid. They did not grease the right palms.

    • atheistwoman permalink
      October 2, 2009 6:48 pm

      Yes, poor, poor Chicago. I am the only one who thought some serious grease-palming was going on that Chicago was the Olympic bidder, and hey check out the president? Yes? It seemed veeery blatant.

  3. atheistwoman permalink
    October 2, 2009 6:46 pm

    By law I am required to ask creepy stalker questions about that photo. Because I think I know where it is. But I will say no more. Ha.

    • atheistwoman permalink
      October 2, 2009 6:47 pm

      Of course I am probably wrong.

    • October 2, 2009 7:33 pm

      I got it from Google images when I typed in, “A Perfect Autumn Day.” Some of the trackbacks are no longer working, but, what I can make of it, it may be New London, New Hampshire.

    • Mary Sunshine permalink
      October 2, 2009 7:39 pm

      Hah! I see it now in the context of the blog. Well, when it stops raining, it will look like that here tomorrow.


    • atheistwoman permalink
      October 2, 2009 7:53 pm

      Yes, that is where I thought.

    • Mary Sunshine permalink
      October 2, 2009 7:12 pm

      It’s actually taken in Kingston Ontario. I know the exact place, I’ve walked past it many times. Beautiful waterfront spot.

      Either that, or there is definitely plagiarism going on in the white-boy infrastructure world.

    • October 2, 2009 7:39 pm

      I just wish that I had some of those trees around me.

    • atheistwoman permalink
      October 2, 2009 7:55 pm

      White-boy infrastructure plagiarism, from what I can tell. That is the New London Inn way in the back, next to the cute little info box. Oh cute little info boxes…

    • October 2, 2009 7:57 pm

      I thought that was a dog house.

  4. October 2, 2009 7:37 pm

    What do you think of this poem?:

    Rudyard Kipling


    If you can keep your head when all about you
    Are losing theirs and blaming it on you;
    If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
    But make allowance for their doubting too;
    If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
    Or, being lied about, don’t deal in lies,
    Or, being hated, don’t give way to hating,
    And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise;

    If you can dream – and not make dreams your master;
    If you can think – and not make thoughts your aim;
    If you can meet with triumph and disaster
    And treat those two imposters just the same;
    If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken
    Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
    Or watch the things you gave your life to broken,
    And stoop and build ’em up with wornout tools;

    If you can make one heap of all your winnings
    And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
    And lose, and start again at your beginnings
    And never breath a word about your loss;
    If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
    To serve your turn long after they are gone,
    And so hold on when there is nothing in you
    Except the Will which says to them: “Hold on”;

    If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
    Or walk with kings – nor lose the common touch;
    If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you;
    If all men count with you, but none too much;
    If you can fill the unforgiving minute
    With sixty seconds’ worth of distance run –
    Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it,
    And – which is more – you’ll be a Man my son!

    • Mary Sunshine permalink
      October 2, 2009 7:41 pm

      you’ll be a Man my son!


    • Edna permalink
      October 3, 2009 6:43 am

      And then there’s this (BARF ALERT: don’t read this on a full stomach)

      An “If” for Girls by Elizabeth Lincoln Otis

      (With apologies to Mr. Rudyard Kipling)

      If you can dress to make yourself attractive,
      Yet not make puffs and curls your chief delight;
      If you can swim and row, be strong and active,
      But of the gentler graces lose not sight;
      If you can dance without a craze for dancing,
      Play without giving play too strong a hold,
      Enjoy the love of friends without romancing,
      Care for the weak, the friendless and the old;

      If you can master French and Greek and Latin,
      And not acquire, as well, a priggish mien,
      If you can feel the touch of silk and satin
      Without despising calico and jean;
      If you can ply a saw and use a hammer,
      Can do a man’s work when the need occurs,
      Can sing when asked, without excuse or stammer,
      Can rise above unfriendly snubs and slurs;
      If you can make good bread as well as fudges,
      Can sew with skill and have an eye for dust,
      If you can be a friend and hold no grudges,
      A girl whom all will love because they must;

      If sometime you should meet and love another
      And make a home with faith and peace enshrined,
      And you its soul—a loyal wife and mother—
      You’ll work out pretty nearly to my mind
      The plan that’s been developed through the ages,
      And win the best that life can have in store,
      You’ll be, my girl, the model for the sages—
      A woman whom the world will bow before.

  5. October 2, 2009 11:29 pm

    Ha Ha his ass is in jail, in Japan. She tried to warn him:

    “It’s very difficult to watch kids becoming American and losing Japanese identity,” Noriko Savoie wrote her ex-husband in the e-mail, according to Tennessee court documents. “I am at the edge of the cliff. I cannot hold it anymore if you keep bothering me.”

    But you see he thought he would trap her in Tennessee, –using the patriarchal courts to control her. I know a man who did almost the same thing, the only difference is, is the country. My friend wanted to go to Germany. Her ex-husband could not bother with her or her children until she started going back to Germany, then suddenly he raced to the courts to prevent her. Before she wanted to go to Germany, that bastard did not come around more than once a year, but suddenly visiting the children in Germany was too much of a hardship, you know, the way it was a hardship for him to visit them in California while he lived in Iowa.

    That bastard needs to rot. You can see by this woman’s email that he was bothering her.

    The little calculating bastard:

    She had no income when she moved to the U.S. in June 2008, divorce court filings show, and appears to have been totally dependent on Christopher Savoie, who was still legally her husband but was involved with another woman.

    Crafton, a native of Japan who befriended Noriko Savoie during her short time in Tennessee, said her friend tried to get a divorce while the couple still lived in Japan, but her husband had refused and later persuaded her to move to the U.S. with the children.

    “Everything was provided so she could begin a new lifestyle, but right after that he gave her divorce papers,” Crafton said. “So basically she was trapped.”

  6. Mary Sunshine permalink
    October 3, 2009 9:53 am

    Saturday morning greetings!

    And this morning’s link is ….

    • October 3, 2009 2:23 pm

      In sum, killing female fetuses and infants is wrong because there’ll be less rape fodder for future generations of males. If there’s one thing I can’t stand it’s that feminism’s-good-for-the-boys-too! brand of women’s advocacy.

    • atheistwoman permalink
      October 3, 2009 6:16 pm

      Oh no joke. It makes me sick. Feminism is not “good for the boys,” unless they actually believe that women are human, which they don’t…so really, feminism, err women’s liberation from male supremacy, is really not at all good for “boys.” Who would mommy and coddle them? Who? Who would allow their parasitism to go unchecked? Who? Certainly not other men…Oh dear oh dear oh dear, I need plastic pearls to clutch!

  7. Mary Sunshine permalink
    October 3, 2009 1:39 pm

    ‘nuther one”

    (yup, that’s actually the link. Looks like there’s no need for the / at the end of the URL. That’s a new one on me.)

  8. October 3, 2009 2:27 pm

    Why do I read these things?

    “The plan should address the range of circumstances that put women and girls at risk of rape and other forms of violence inside and outside the refugee camps and the ways in which both national and international actors can help to protect women from these terrible crimes.”

    “Range of circumstances”??? There’s only one “circumstance” that puts girls and women in danger of rape, and that’s the presence of males. Period. Oh, the blinders people must wear in order to dance around this fact.

  9. October 3, 2009 9:46 pm

    I just finish reading the comment section of a popular ” feminist” blog regarding gendered bathrooms. Not only do the women want transgendered and transsexuals to use bathrooms clearly labeled for females, they think we should have unisex bathrooms! Do they actually want me to believe they find absolutely nothing wrong with having a young girl( let’s say age 6 is usually the age we let them use the bathroom on their own) use a bathroom occupied by men? That there is nothing to fear? They actually think having stall with locks is enough of a safety measure.

  10. October 3, 2009 10:56 pm

    And what recourse would the cop have had in a unisex bathroom, where the man would have had every right to be in that stall, and could simply have said he was disciplining his own child?

  11. October 5, 2009 7:47 pm

    Oh my god, Mary. That second article is just heartbreaking. I can’t believe the girl’s sister is going to testify against her. She must be so, so traumatized by it all. It does at least sound as if her mother and school counselor are on her side.

    Men should never be allowed anywhere near girls of any age or relation. Women should stop putting fathers’ names on birth certificates. The abuse is so very predictable.

  12. Mary Sunshine permalink
    October 5, 2009 9:07 pm

    Men should never be allowed anywhere near girls of any age or relation.

    This is so true.

    Women should stop putting fathers’ names on birth certificates.

    For married women, this is impossible. The husband is legally declared to be the girl’s father (owner).

  13. October 5, 2009 10:42 pm

    “I think it’s ridiculous. I think 13 is way too young. I think you pull the kid aside and you talk to them and you don’t make a big deal about it,” said Jason Savarino, a parent.

    Then, why wasn’t the little fucker “pulled aside” already?

  14. Mary Sunshine permalink
    October 7, 2009 2:46 pm

    Joan Kelly has written the Female Survival woman-ifesto.

    I’m going to spread it far and wide.


    • atheistwoman permalink
      October 7, 2009 4:47 pm

      Wow, that is spectacular!

  15. October 7, 2009 9:03 pm

    Thanks Mary and AW.

    I have a confession. I love being fawned over (you go ahead and call it liking-something-I-wrote all you want, I’m taking it in as being-fawned-over anyway), but in this particular case I feel like something’s going over my head.

    Meaning, I don’t know how what I wrote helps any female people survive. And I can only surmise, Mary, that your idea of handing out flyers featuring what I wrote is your way of testing other people’s eyeballs for the ability to roll and testing your own ears for the ability to hear screechy anger, depending.

    Or maybe no matter my ramblings, I’m still not being clear.

    I don’t actually believe female people will ever stop serving male interests entirely, and I don’t believe male supremacy will actually ever end so long as any of males’ needs are being served by females. So – the fact that most women identify as straight, and most seem to end up wanting relationships and sex and families with men – well, those women would have to be willing to not-get-to-have their own needs/interests served, by way of giving up the things that would simultaneously serve males.

    Unlike liberal feminists, I don’t believe male-interest-serving can be mitigated by things like the supposed enlightenment of males. I don’t believe males will ever stop thinking of us as vehicles for their needs even if “all” we’re doing is the things that serve our needs to (i.e. I will have sex but I won’t pick up his socks or be his cook or let him run my life).

    Jesus I am not capable of short-windedness.

    So none of that’s ever going to happen, and thus I don’t think there really IS much female survival, in a sense. Let alone anything my angry ass can do to increase it under the circumstances.

    • Mary Sunshine permalink
      October 7, 2009 11:20 pm

      Joan, I agree with you. As in, everything you say above is reality.

      Mathematicians dwell in the land of the hypothetical. Hypothesis: if A and B, then C. It doesn’t matter if A or B ever occur. Only that if they did both simultaneously occur, then we can be ever-so-gratifyingly assured that C will necessarily occur. Like it’s just there for us. The only joy we get in life is the seeing of the (provable and unquestionable) implication A and B ==> C.

      You made a statement that showed that you actually understood one of the pre-conditions for Female Survival. That is so rare, so startling, so *delightful* (if only in a mathematical sense) that I just couldn’t control my exuberance.

      I have a rich fantasy life, but none of my fantasies involve liberal feminism. I have a much more prosaic fantasy: that females will one day wake up and smell the coffee, and ditch males (as “partners”, offspring, mentors, anything), and live happily ever after in a female world of freedom and happiness. I call it Manic Fantasy Infinity. My all time favourite. On this planet, I have occasionally heard it referred to as Lesbian Separatism. Never-never-land.

  16. joankelly6000 permalink
    October 8, 2009 5:57 pm

    Thanks for explaining, Mary. 🙂 I am touched and (as mentioned elsewhere) very flattered that you liked my post so much, and for the reasons you note. xo

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