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In The Name of Feminism: “Those Darkies Have It So Good!”

October 28, 2009

This post (and you will see it again) is for the express purpose of collecting comments from the feminist blogosphere that sound an awful lot like wishing that one can call black women niggers, lynch black women, have the freedom to display black women lawn jockeys and Aunt Jemimas without social scorn, and perpetuate the belief that racism is cured/over. Feminists are not just white! Racism is not cured! Get a fucking grip already.

Feel free to submit a comment when you see one. I shall add it to the top and bring the post to the most forward position when a new comment is added.

Kookaburra says:
Since this is an open thread, I would love some feedback on a flash of inspiration I had yesterday.
I was trying to explain to a clueless dudus collegiate honkimus last night why exactly golliwog dolls were offensive to people of color. Then I realized – women have our golliwogs too, in the form of airbrushed porn stars, Bratz dolls, and naked lady mudflaps. Do you think it’s a pipe dream to hope that some day such images will be viewed with the same disbelief as golliwog images are today? (I’m talking about the “That’s ridiculous, I mean, didn’t they notice that black people don’t look like that” level of disbelief.)
November 13th, 2009 at 12:34 pm EST

• Grace says:
Perhaps the best comparison to people’s reactions toward rape in the form of the victim “brought it upon herself,” is the case of a racially motivated hate crime. Nobody would ever say that a 15 y/o black young man brought it on himself after being attacked and hit with a baseball bat by a mob in a predominantly white neighborhood.
There would be an uproar, police, criminal charges, lawsuits to the city, etc. This happens because sexism and attacks against women in a patriarchal society as ours are seen as part of life, just “natural” and “normal” events. And women simply have to learn how to protect themselves, the same way that black people were told to do 50 years ago.
I bet that at that time “wise” people also said things like “racism is part of life” and that “colored people” needed to stay at home in the closet after dark.
October 27th, 2009 at 7:33 pm EST

• Kookaburra says:
…There’s a man there that ALWAYS has some article of clothing that proclaims “Skin Industries” and has a mudflap-esque female silhouette on it. I couldn’t articulate to another woman why it bothered me so much, but then I suddenly said, “If I was black, and the design featured a blackface caricature, would you still think I was over sensitive? What if the logo was ‘coal industries’ and featured people in coolie hats? Pornarrific portrayals of women are just as much hate speech as racial caricatures.”
I don’t know if she agreed with me, but she got really thoughtful.
Thankfully the dude is dumb as a box of rocks, so he’ll probably be dropped from the program soon.
October 22nd, 2009 at 2:45 am EST

• yttik says:
….It’s ironic, we’ve decided as a society that portraying black folks as lawn jockeys, Aunt Jemimas, or as clowns in black face, isn’t very respectful and negatively impacts the way we view people. For some reason we still can’t seem to understand how violent imagery of women might also be a problem.
October 21st, 2009 at 10:58 am EST

Swannie says:
If you added an Aunt Jemima headscarf to that picture it would be an affront , but as it is its “ok” by cuttent music industry and societal norms . How about if we added a male figure of indeterminate race with a whip , would that be ok too ??

• SweetSue says:
There, you’ve hit it. Anything the dudebros might want to masturbate to-image of Rhianna in barbed wire-is free speech protected by our sacred Bill of Rights.
Other violent images like depictions of lynchings are obscene and beyond the pale…
October 21st, 2009 at 2:53 pm EST

• gxm17 says:
We live in a culture where hanging nooses with no one in them is a hate crime but wrapping a (black) woman in barbed wire is sexy. Now, that’s just f’d up…
October 21st, 2009 at 8:06 pm EST

• Ciccina says:

2. @ gxm17
We live in a culture where hanging nooses with no one in them is a hate crime but wrapping a (black) woman in barbed wire is sexy.
Indeed. Though hanging a life-size Sarah Palin doll from a noose on your front lawn is considered good clean Democratic fun in some parts, namely Los Angeles.

13 Comments
  1. October 28, 2009 6:32 pm

    This is a great idea, Kitty. I’ll be keeping my eye out for these arguments, though I don’t imagine I’ll have to look hard to spot them. Yes, “but I can’t call darkies niggers!” is no argument in favor of feminism. Jesus.

  2. October 28, 2009 8:20 pm

    Hilarious post title!!!!

  3. atheistwoman permalink
    October 28, 2009 10:44 pm

    Some of those comments might almost be all right if they had specified black men and the response of so-called anti-racists who are also liberals or leftists. But only some, and only almost.

  4. JenniferRuth permalink
    October 29, 2009 10:57 am

    Can we submit comments from anywhere?

    • October 29, 2009 3:50 pm

      I guess we would have to examine each comment. However, I think it is pointless to venture into MRA land. It is to be expected from them. But if it comes from a feminist (more than likely white) then it should be highlighted. We need to do something to remove this blind spot that so many white feminists seem to have, this continuous default that women means white and feminist means white.

  5. November 21, 2009 11:09 pm

    humanbein
    November 21, 2009 at 9:14 am

    It’s nice when scientists deign to agree with common sense and obvious truth. An easy way to test the harmfulness of sexist jokes has always been to substitute african-american for woman, blonde, whatever the jokes calls women, and see how it flies in front of a group of african americans of either sex.

    It’s the response needed to “It’s only a joke” when dudes whip out that evergreen defense. What they really object to, under the cant and defensiveness, is the dick-wilting they experience whenever some woman calls them on their shit.

    Yeah, “see how it flies in front of a group of african americans.” I would imagine that if those “african americans” are scared of losing their jobs, their social network, or anything else, it “flies” just fine.

    Not to mention the fact that there don’t have to be any “african americans” around for white folks to sit around whooping it up about black people, and that we suffer the effects of their “humor” whether we’re around to hear it or not.

  6. November 21, 2009 11:12 pm

    yttik
    November 21, 2009 at 9:49 am

    Why do people understand that demeaning racial jokes have a negative influence on how society treats minorities, but they don’t understand how that concept might also apply to women?

    Yep, society ostensibly recognizes that racIST (not “racial”) jokes are detrimental to the well-being of black folks. Has that kept white folks from laughing at black folks out of our ear shot? Has it kept our white coworkers from simply not inviting us to gatherings where they’d like to make jokes at our expense, as they supposedly “can’t” do in the office?

    Nope.

  7. November 21, 2009 11:15 pm

    agasaya
    November 21, 2009 at 10:58 am

    Racist jokes are already prohibited in the workplace. Employers are free to include demeaning humor about women as falling within those rules because it has a negative impact upon female workers. The value of studies like these is not in their obviousness, but that they can be submitted into evidence when employees claim they were disciplined or fired without cause in such cases.

    Interestingly, this quote was cited in the article:

    “We found that men with a high level of sexism were less likely to donate to the women’s organization after reading sexist jokes, but not after reading either sexist statements or neutral jokes,” Ford said.

    Meaning that men were capable of distinguishing negative statements distorting facts. Even if they agreed with the sentiments, they were capable of acting in a politically correct manner! However, lemming like behavior following participation in misogynist humor which led to different behaviors overtly expressing disrespect for women.

    So, when it can’t be hidden from view under a veil of adolescent snide, men behave better. Yes, workplace rules do change behaviors. The laws against racist behavior do impact eventually upon belief systems given the risk/reward ratios involved as we can see with the elections of women and minorities to office.

    I once had to fire someone for racist behavior. The culprit was a female social worker. Contagious crap, this.

    Here we see that not being able to tell racist jokes *in the office* supposedly changes people’s attitudes outside the office! Ha! How about we change that statement to refer to women – is there a feminist woman ALIVE who actually believes that males not being able to tell jokes about women *in the office* fosters anything but RESENTMENT for women???

    • November 21, 2009 11:47 pm

      The laws against racist behavior do impact eventually upon belief systems given the risk/reward ratios involved as we can see with the elections of women and minorities to office.

      All women are white?

  8. November 21, 2009 11:17 pm

    ivyleaves
    November 21, 2009 at 3:55 pm

    Why do people understand that demeaning racial jokes have a negative influence on how society treats minorities, but they don’t understand how that concept might also apply to women?

    Simple. It doesn’t matter how society treats women, in fact, it serves the rulers of society much more to keep the staus quo.

    See? Black women are treated EXACTLY THE SAME AS white women! The women of IBTP swear it!

    • November 21, 2009 11:28 pm

      Why do people understand that demeaning racial jokes have a negative influence on how society treats minorities, but they don’t understand how that concept might also apply to women?

      Are no minorities women?

      And again and again and again and again, statements such as these make all women white. How can it not?

      To deconstruct further, one can infer through this type of reasoning that black women’s blackness protects them against sexism, because everyone knows racism is a no-no and apparently racism is never sexist. WTF?

  9. November 21, 2009 11:24 pm

    The last 4 comments are from here:

    Funny sexism: harms outweigh benefits

    And there aren’t even 10 comments yet. I imagine that thread will be a veritable smorgasbord of smug white-woman racism by the end of the weekend.

  10. November 24, 2009 10:20 am

    From the looks of it, trust-fund baby Twisty has blocked the few sensible folks from commenting on that thread. It’s not likely that no one has commented all day long except for one white woman cheering on the racists. No, the 2 or 3 people calling out the racists have simply been banned.

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