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What “passes” for “female” **trigger warning**

December 5, 2010

As you all well know, I have been deeply disturbed by the imagery of what the misogynistic medical establishment, (and delusional males + their female support) believes female genitals look like.  I am proud (damn proud) to say that I have NEVER EVER been pro-tranny. I have never ever been a woman who hates herself enough to accept butchery as the equivalent of myself.  I have to say, though, that after seeing a picture of what passes for “female” these days I had to do a check… I felt so repulsed that I had to double-check that my eyes and my memory weren’t betraying me.   Maybe that’s silly to you, but I felt like I needed to be sure that we were both talking about female genitals (me and the website with the pic of the clone “woman.”) As I said before I had never seen a picture of what these clone “women” look like and as a result, I wonder how any women, any self loving women, can look at herself and see this as being her equivalent this is what they want to call a woman:

This is what they think of you....

Please trust me I take NO joy in showing this to you… I find it disgusting, offensive and traumatic myself but I also feel like I really DIDN’T know what I felt about this butchery until I saw this photo.  I spent the entire day turning this over in my mind again and again and trying to make it through the day without this image popping up.  Please take note that this is a “good” surgery that is supposed to look “exactly” like a real woman.  I am not going to objectify a woman by putting porn up here, but all you real women reading, you know what YOU look like. We wash ourselves, we take care of our genitals when we menstruate, we know our natural smell, feel, look all of that. We know that this is not a woman. We know that this is balls flayed open to mock female labia.  We know that there is no vagina behind those flayed open balls but a penetrative hole cut into a man so that he can function as the patriarchy feels women ought to.  We know what it means to have vaginas, to have labia.  We know what it means to learn at very young ages what consequences there are for having vaginas and labia, for having breasts…

I remember the first time I was made aware of my femaleness.  Through a child’s eyes and mind it’s never ever this involved but I did have an elementary understanding.  My breasts began to develop in the 3rd grade,  I was 9 and I cried.  My mother did the whole lets-call-all-the-women-in-the-fam-and-scream-to-the-world-my-daughter-has-breasts thing. She did it again when I got my period at 12 (I cried when that happened too.)  My tears weren’t of confusion, my tears were that it was happening… the difference in male attention, the harassment, the danger, the threats, they were suddenly more real than ever for me with each little milestone of my puberty.  The first time a male ever groped my breasts I was 9 and he the son of the woman my father was cheating on my mother with.  I remember him trying to coerce me into sucking his dick and he threatened to make my sister (who was 2 yrs younger than me, 7 fucking years old) do it if I didn’t.

I started shopping for boys clothes, I began sneaking them into the cart (I didn’t have to, but I thought I did my mother still bought frilly girl shit but she also understood why I would want to hide my breasts) when we would do clothes shopping.  I wanted to wear boys clothes because they didn’t fit to my body the way girls clothes did.  I believed, naive i know, that in boys clothes I could hide my breasts, hide my hips, hide anything that would make them look.  I have carried that thought with me throughout my life, thinking that I can somehow change the presentation of my body and not receive those goddamn stares of disgust or intrigue.  I felt like their greedy disgusting eyes were always on my breasts, and they were.  The women in my family are really busty and I unfortunately followed suit, I hated my body and blamed my body for the way males objectified me and the way they made me feel.  The rape and molestation that happened to me amplified these feelings and I became suicidal.

It is clear to me that being a woman is not valid. It’s clear to me that our experiences as women, the things that have shaped and influenced us, that have impacted us and presented us with great struggle are invalid.  It’s not important that women, as a class, are oppressed. It’s not important that part of being a woman means, in some way, experiencing all (and more) of what I just described. It’s not important that being a woman is not a feeling or a thought or something that happens in your brain. It’s not important that millions of women and girls are murdered and raped every day because of our femaleness. It’s not important or even relevant that the experiences that impact us and harm us from the day “it’s a girl” is announced until the day we die, happen at the hands of the people who want to inhabit our bodies in any way they possibly can.  Nope, it’s all “privilege.” Imagine, the absolute NERVE of a fucking MAN to tell a WOMAN she has privilege over him!  It’s about further othering women and reducing us to “cis” so that you can claim our RIGHT to call ourselves women with nothing before or after it, with no qualifier and absolutely NO NEED to question/hyphenate/surgically create the realness and validity of who we are.  We don’t need to bully each other to “prove” that we’re women. We don’t threaten each other with rape, wish rape on each other, or threaten to harm each other to prove how “woman” we are.  That sort of animalistic behavior is typically male, men rape, men joke about rape, men don’t care about rape, MEN.

This is what they think of us… Everytime you hear someone even hint at “cis” “privilege” (the way I wrote that is on purpose btw) remember this photo. This is what it means to be a “woman,” and how any woman could ever support that or justify supporting this insanity as being the equivalent of ourselves or in any way representative of ourselves is beyond my ability to understand.

  1. December 5, 2010 3:32 am

    I wish I could figure out the “after the fold” type posts, because I would surely make this post one of those.

  2. December 5, 2010 5:27 am

    Thank you for writing that, Soulsis. It absolutely and beautifully describes what female oppression is, and how they can never be us. So eloquent.

  3. FAB4Life permalink
    December 5, 2010 9:13 am

    It looks like a meat sculpture.
    Too bad meat is not an agreeable sculpture medium.
    It’s a more expensive version of this: , to be purchased by gentlemen of means. The “executive model” in wearable female body parts. A meat fuck-hole suitable for low light and non-oral situations. Best utilized with partners unfamiliar with female anatomy.
    Soulsis I felt your every word. The fucking NERVE indeed.

    • December 5, 2010 12:17 pm

      This is so goddamn disgusting… these fuckers are absolutely sick and need help and I cannot understand for the life of me why anyone thinks this shit is fucking ok? FEM SKIN? VEE STRINGS?

      Q: Can the vagina be penetrated?
      A: Yes. It is modeled to the size of an adult female vagina and can be penetrated by an average adult male penis. However, there is no canal or sleeve to accommodate the penis. There is just a slit in the bottom of the vagina. The latex memory allows it to stretch and return to a normal size. Treat it as you would any female vagina…with tenderness.

      First of all, if it doesn’t belong to a female (and I mean a real woman not a head/clone woman) it ISN’T A VAGINA AND IT ISN’T A FEMALE VAGINA! More proof that these clone/head “women” are MEN misogynist men who fetishize us and think if they put on a plastic vag (with pubic hair that comes in 9 different colors) or splay open their dicks or cut holes in themselves or stuff plasctic sacks in their chests that they are the same as a natural organic born woman. YOU ARE A MAN A SICK TWISTED MAN WHO NEEDS HELP, you are not a “woman in your head.”

      Fab I had NO idea this existed either and thank you for posting it. The whole world is making money off of female drag, everyone wants a lil piece of the pie! ugh

    • FAB4Life permalink
      December 5, 2010 12:43 pm

      That’s nothing!
      Google “female masking”.

    • December 8, 2010 4:19 pm

      That V string is one of the most vile, fucked up, misogynist, objectifying, rage inducing horrific sights I have ever laid eyes on. I fucking hate those things.
      I’ve seen the pseudo-female constructed “masks” as well.
      Selfish and misogynistic are the few words I can manage to describe that ghastly gallery.

  4. Mary Sunshine permalink
    December 5, 2010 11:20 am

    Good grief.


  5. December 5, 2010 11:47 am

    That is so fucking disturbing. I wish I’d never seen it. On the other hand, it does bring it vividly home what these men are doing and what they really think about women. How anyone could think that is a woman, I don’t know. This post really hits home.

  6. December 5, 2010 12:40 pm

    Hello ladies.

    I’m naturally a worry wart so I spent almost all night waffling on whether or not to make this post password protected. I realize now that that concern and all others were completely unnecessary, especially since my post was written with you all in mind and as women you will understand where I’m coming from.

    The image is really disturbing, but I know that most people don’t really think about what this all means. Tranny supporters scream at us to “accept” men as women simply for saying they “identify” with being a woman. It’s not an identity; it’s not something that can ever be mocked or surgically created. You cannot take a man who was privileged and socialized and conditioned as such slap a vee string on him and call him a woman, no matter how twisted and fucked up his head is. I don’t get the “my body doesn’t match my mind” thing… I don’t think like a woman, I don’t act like a woman, I just am one. I am a woman just like all of you ladies here are women, though the patriarchy would like some of us to believe that we’re not. (Read: black/lesbian/fat…)

    But yes part of being a woman, a female, is knowing at an early age that males are a threat. It’s being objectified by males, having femininity forced on you, having it drummed in your head that you’re a woman and woman=penis (man) and babies. It’s about all the opportunities that are afforded to men that won’t be given to you… like the benefit of the doubt, automatic respect even if they disagree/dislike you i have seen men who don’t like each other at least be civil and mock respect compared to men who don’t like a particular female and how they set about trying to sabotage her… dont even try to make it look “nice.” All of these things are part of female oppression, it’s the oppression trannies bite at the chomp to participate in when they grow their hair, take hormones, butcher their bodies and then have the goddamn nerve to scream at us that we are the primary if not sole reason for their “oppression” and unhappiness. They don’t get that the “trans-misogyny” (no such thing) they experience is actually just misogyny and they experience it because they want to be us. Oh yes, they really thought they had the right to not only don female face but the right to be treated BETTER than the people whose bodies they want to inhabit. THAT is maleness, the entitlements, the privilege, the arrogance to co-opt our terms, our struggle our movements. To force themselves on women (rape and male characteristics) and create terms that daddy patriarchy will back which can police us and further force us to accept this butchery as being equal to our organic womanhood.

    I used that image to demonstrate in a very literal way what men think of us and what these men (and their cheerleaders) think of us. It’s a symbol for what is happening today to women and to womanhood and how this will/has/can negatively impact feminism and us as women. I never hear/read any tranny explaining that. It’s ALWAYS about them and “trans-misogyny,” most of them don’t possess the capacity to even connect how their new found treatment is the same shit we are subjected to but that goes back to the expectation that they are treated better than women. When trannies say “trans “women” are raped and murdered” I always think but that happens to real women… and it happens to women because of men, even tranny men will harm a woman to get to their goal. I remember posting an article at DCMYS about a tranny who tried to rape a woman so he could go to jail and get his tranny “surgery.” But trannies are women who love women and are “abused” by “cis” women who just don’t let them into female spaces where they “belong.”

    I’m aware that some sad lil tranny reading will be almost SURE that we are obsessed with their genitals. Only a man would read all that was written here and reduce all of the concern, offense, and disgust with an obsession with their genitals. Afterall, men the holders of the almighty penis, do think highly of those penis’ and why not continue that when their almighty penis can splayed open to create a penetrative hole out of the surgically created wound they want us to accept as a vagina. I mean forget that our vaginas are self cleansing and don’t require us to fuck ourselves with stint’s every day to keep it open. Our vaginas don’t need summer’s eve or KY to be REAL. Nothing about us is an attempt at simulating a real woman. That said the obsession with OUR genitals is real always has been, this is just another way that men obsess about our (female) genitals and how our genitals can best serve them, no?

  7. Pseudoadrienne permalink
    December 5, 2010 12:44 pm

    So let me guess…we’re going to “progress” to a point where you can walk into any ole store and buy a vagina/vulva, as if you’re just picking up a gallon of milk or some paper towels?! Nice…we’re just commodities to be purchased, sold, modified, corrupted, and so on. *Anyone* can “become a woman” just as anyone can become an astronaut if you just try really, really, really hard! (eyeroll)

    • December 5, 2010 12:51 pm

      “*Anyone* can “become a woman” just as anyone can become an astronaut if you just try really, really, really hard! (eyeroll)”

      More spit on the screen. I’m not even gonna write lol anymore I’m just gonna say spit on the screen and you all will know I have been laughin till i nearly fell over!

      That last bit was funny to me because its really what they are doing isn’t it? Going to classes to learn to become a woman, dressing up in female costume etc its kinda like some sort of sick fucked up college where if you can afford the tuition, you can attend. Its gross its so wrong.

      But it’s TRANSPHOBIA to be upset about this butchery. That image, and all the others, pisses me off and is disgusting to me. But it served it’s purpose at driving home the point that this is what men think it means to be a woman. So what if the mock labia still looks like wrinkeled balls so what if the clit looks nothing like the real thing, it has a hole for a dick to go in and so it’s a woman.


  8. FAB4Life permalink
    December 5, 2010 12:50 pm

    Exposing the objectification of women never requires an explanation. If these men didn’t see us as objects they would not modify their bodies to inhabit a female object, or fantasize about doing so.

    • December 5, 2010 12:54 pm

      This is probably more fucked up than my image… It’s very Hanibal-esque don’t you think? Do you remember that sick fuck who thought he could create a woman suit and was kidnapping and murdering fat women to do it?

      This is disgusting and not attractive. This is what we look like to them, this is what it means to be a woman to them. and it’s sick.

      How abt this one:

    • FAB4Life permalink
      December 5, 2010 1:18 pm

      From the link you posted:” It not only fulfills the feminine illusion, but gives you the ability to lose your virginity and regain it again! It is designed for sexual enjoyment with a larger vaginal opening, which is easily penetrated.
      How can this happen? It comes with an intact hymen. After it has been penetrated, the vaginal opening can be repaired with the latex that comes with the Virgin V.”

      Because the experience of girls and young women losing their virginity is sooooo erotic to them! They love it and wish they had GLUE to recreate the experience of losing their virginity and simultaneously having a large vaginal opening which is easily penetrated. Hotness!

  9. Pseudoadrienne permalink
    December 5, 2010 12:52 pm

    Honestly if I *finally* get a significant other and it turns out that *ahem* “she” has this and turns out to be trans, I would vomit and runaway…far, far away. Hopefully I would able to notice long before hypothetical encounters that’s something is amiss shall we say and simply avoid them. Or better yet, they need to stop going to lesbian bars/clubs and spaces, trying to pass themselves off as lesbians.

    • December 5, 2010 12:56 pm

      PA, I don’t think that a real lesbian could ever be fooled. Plenty of hetero women might be “fooled” (though honestly I don’t think anyone fallls for it, I really think ppl see something wrong with this and ignore it out of fear for hurting his feelings.)

      Worse comes to worse they have a face that passes as female but when it comes down to business and the clothes come off there is no way that THAT massacre above could EVER pass as belonging to an organic real woman.

  10. FAB4Life permalink
    December 5, 2010 12:57 pm

    Sorry for the video imbed re-post- it didn’t post initially so I attached it to a secondary post- my bad.

  11. isarac permalink
    December 5, 2010 1:45 pm

    But it looks like they ‘re trying to make a real woman’s vulva resemble a tranny’s with labiaplasty.

    • December 5, 2010 1:52 pm

      What is your point?

    • December 5, 2010 4:23 pm

      Isarac, I have seen ads for labiaplasty and yes they want real women to look like tyranny males. In fact, tyranny males are the ideal “women” by many patriarch standards. They don’t have periods or any other natural secretions from their wounds. Their fake vaginas are in fact both holes and wounds, which is what males have always believed about female genitaia. And since they keep their prostates they are more likely than real women to orgasm while being skewered by a penis.

    • December 5, 2010 4:26 pm

      sorry for typos, hope they don’t hinder comprehension. I’m typing on a phone and i really am the most inept texter. I don’t even own a cell phone. I’m using my girlfriend’s.

  12. Pseudoadrienne permalink
    December 5, 2010 2:06 pm

    What would the male-dominated medical establishment have lesbians do? Ingest a cocktail of hormones and go under the scalpel to “become men”? Thus validating *their (*Freudian male surgeons and psychiatrists) false and masturbatory notion that women– especially lesbians– have penis envy and secretly want become men? “Become the opposite sex so you can love/fuck your own sex?” I’ll pass thanks. I love my female-born body, I love being a woman though our misogynistic and androcratic world would have me feel otherwise, and I love female-born women. I have no use for a prick or any phallic objects, thank you very much. I suppose that makes me a cissexist, transphobic dyke.

    • December 5, 2010 2:19 pm

      Don’t ever use words to describe yourself that do not truly represent who you are, and I mean that in every way possible. There is no such thing as cis, it’s merely a lable men invented to steal our right to call ourselves women with no qualifier. And transphobia is a joke, its another made up term to police women and intentionally bully us into accepting something that is absolutely unacceptable.

      Besides, I am not afraid of trannies, but I am afraid of spiders. 🙂 (somn bout them eyes and legs just interest me and freak me out at the same time lol)

    • pseudoadrienne permalink
      December 5, 2010 2:34 pm

      “Don’t ever use words to describe yourself that do not truly represent who you are […]”

      Oh I know. I was just being sarcastic with regards to how transactivists slander people– especially women, a la lesbians– who don’t immediately throw a parade for them or if they’re lesbians don’t want to have romantic and/or sexual relationships with them (or don’t want them in their private safe-spaces).

      And spiders are actually cool. Have you seen pictures of what a Brown Recluse Spider can do with a single bite? I’d love to have ability, but I’m morbid like that 😉

  13. FAB4Life permalink
    December 5, 2010 2:09 pm

    “trying to make a real woman’s vulva resemble a tranny’s”
    What is that? Trannyplasty?

  14. December 5, 2010 2:37 pm

    PA: I see what you mean, I think I missed the sarcasm or at least momentarily ignored it because that goddamn “cis” term just annoys me. Talk about identity theft…

  15. December 5, 2010 4:36 pm

    Margie, I thought that isarac might have been spam which is why I asked what the point of that comment was.

    But yes it does make “sense” that the patriarchy would want those yucky real vaginas to resemble their ideal tranny wounds and penetrative holes. Seems the boys LIKE fucking men with penetrative holes anyway, so why not convince women that our labia is “ugly” and in need of some misogynist fixin!

    I think my vag is beautiful! It is absolutely perfect just the way it is, ya know NATURAL and REAL and not medically altered to please anyone, male or “female.”

  16. December 5, 2010 5:07 pm

    All trannies need psychiatric help, —not the type that aids and enables their delusions.

  17. December 5, 2010 9:13 pm

    Thank you for showing us how disgusting they are. Men think of us as things. Everything is to be used or fucked by men in some way or another. Pretending to “be” us is just another form of ownership. But don’t call them “sick” and say they need help. That is too kind to them and too caring and protective. They are simply evil and should be held accountable. (Well, I would go a lot further, as you know.)They are actually being “normal” men in their incredible female hatred. Don’t many of them already have plastic women they buy to fuck? And don’t most of them “buy” women as prostitutes, or even as wives? (How many women really would marry men if money and survival weren’t part of the deal?)

    Thank you, Soulsis, for saying to not even joke with calling ourselves what they call us. We are female, we are female-born, bio-women, REAL women, and LESBIANS.

    Oh, if I can help you about spiders, let me know. No spider patriarchy. Almost all are female and you can easily tell by looking at their little faces. It’s interesting — male spiders look like something is wrong with them. They look like deformed or damaged females. And yes, females eat them when they can. At least their reproduction is not like mammal fucking, and I’m guessing many are parthenogenetic.

    I was terrified of spiders when I was little (Human propaganda. I believe most females transfer their natural terror/hatred of males onto little harmless animals, like spiders, insects, snakes, even rats, because it’s too hard to have that fear/hatred when most of us grow up being forced to be around males.

    Anyway, when I was 8, I decided I could not continue living so afraid since spiders are everywhere, so I got some to keep and feed and watch. I thought they wouldn’t hurt me if I didn’t hurt them. So strange… in a short period of time I went absolutely crazy over them. I learned about spiders and I loved them. I saw their beauty and intelligence and sweetness. Females in many cultures revere spiders. So now I just love them so much. We have some in our house who I water and talk to. Some outside also. I’ve learned a lot about them that even arachnidologists don’t know.

    If you love spiders, you will never be lonely.

  18. December 5, 2010 9:25 pm

    Oh Pseudo, I hadn’t seen what you wrote about the Brown Recluse. That’s great. They’re all so shy though. Black Widows are so beautiful.

    Yes, I understand the sarcasm too, but it freaks me to even play with what they call us.

    You’re right, Margaret. They’ve already been doing surgery on women to make us look more like what men want, so of course they will now make women look like what they’ve been doing to men to look like us. Notice how men are obsessed with “artificial intelligence” and how many films there are based on machines being human or having human feelings. It’s very grotesque, but really I think shows how as Mleig has said, they just don’t have souls. And they know it. So they try to steal ours.

    Yes, just like that character in “Silence of the Lambs” who caught and skinned larger women to make a womansuit for himself to wear to become a woman. They are as caring towards us. I wish Feminists hadn’t picketed that movie — what a rare, strong, possibly Lesbian main character to finds and kills that fucker. (I always compare it to the Feminist-loved “Thelma and Louise,” which was so female-hating and horrible.)

  19. Mireille permalink
    December 7, 2010 3:23 am

    Blehhh it looks disgusting. I’ve seen a few more “results” on various internet sites. They all look like crap. I’ve been on transforums and they say something like this: “If you have a “neo vagina” you are a complete woman.” Lol it’s just awful. No you aren’t a woman when you have butchered your penis to a hole. This hole will close up by the way so these “women” have to dillate for the rest of their lives. Yeah that’s what complete women do keep there vagina from closing besides of taking drugs to keep their look.

    sorry english is my third language.

  20. Cora permalink
    December 7, 2010 11:21 am

    When I first saw that photo, that I scrolled down quickly for NSFW reasons, I thought it was a normal vagina. And then I noticed the small penis. But I still thought the labia were normal, that’s how brainwashed I am.
    This blog makes me really sad and angry, and that’s a good thing 🙂

  21. December 7, 2010 7:21 pm

    I really love all your outrage and anger and clarity here. I say again that most men have no idea about heart and spirit, which is why they make so many movies about machines that think and feel. They’re projecting.

    Beyond the travesty of surgery that reduces us to a hole, they still can never come close to having what they want — the mind, heart, and soul of a real female. There are so many levels of what we are that they can never reach. And these men are THE WORST.

  22. December 8, 2010 5:02 am

    It’s so nice coming here. My dear pal, Doris, just told me that at the Lesbian Hanukkah party I was at on Sunday, a group did a talentless skit ridiculing Separatists from the Seventies, which is soon going to be a full play here. She thinks it was directed at me, and in support of Elliott, who of course was the only man at this enormous “women’s” event. I missed it since I was downstairs with the food. Doris is not at all political, but didn’t like that and recently said no man can become a woman — which I appreciate. But it’s upsetting if they did this attack/ridicule specifically about/to me. This is part of the group that supported Elliott’s attack on me at the “women’s” open mic last spring. As I observed, they are all European-descent, middle class, as is Elliott. They are also all Fem. But other, more oppressed Lesbians, supported me in defending myself (and all of us, really). Unfortunately, these are the ones who I see more often, so they are trying to make it harder for me to go to things. Interestingly, the writer of the skit was the one at a recent Halloween party who came as “superdyke,” wearing a dildo. (Secondwaver had to witness that too, when she was visiting me.) The same Lesbian has done a previous skit that involved throwing many dildos into the audience.

    Anyway, it was upsetting to hear about this and wanted to let you all know. I wish you could join me at events here, and we could do our own anti-castrated male routines.

    • FAB4Life permalink
      December 8, 2010 6:22 am

      “… ridiculing Separatists from the Seventies..”

      “From The Seventies” seems to be the main complaint about feminism from men today. Lack of modernity. Dinosaurs. Etc.
      Men who “feel like women” have more legal rights than women. The biggest political issue for male fetishists wanting to “be” women in 2010 is how to get hate crime protections for gender WITHOUT including women. Because there are just too dang many women being raped and murdered for gender protections to include them. Unbelievable.
      So feminism is “old-fashioned”, a trend that should have passed, like dance music, synthetic fabrics, muscle cars, pot smoking and gay liberation. Oh wait no- only feminism is dusty, the other ones are cool. Imagine the horror of these idiots when they realize that young people are not interested in lame feminist backlash and are embracing actual feminism, radical feminism and lesbian separatism. Current feminism is not emerging from the shopping malls in the U.S. of A. but rather from a worldwide movement towards female emancipation. If that seems “uncool” to the mall dwellers then hey- keep buying those twenty-four dollar “Anarchy” shirts at HotTopic kids!

  23. December 8, 2010 5:35 am

    I just came across the posting by “Daisy Deadhead” accusing me of “giving a hard time” to her/his? ex-lover in 1981. Since I have never harassed a disabled person, I’m assuming this is about my confronting a man pretending to be us. This person knows who I am and could have the guts to say who they are and what the hell they are talking about instead of just attacking me. I’ve been a disabled Dyke and disabled activist for 30 years, so it’s cowardly to make such a claim with no info. But this person also called you/us all “ableist” for calling the male surgeried parts “gross.” And said I’m saying “rah rah, we hate the freaks.” This is like Elliott’s line, trying to get pity, saying he’s a freak. No, WE’RE the ones treated as freaks. We’re the hated, oppressed, attacked Lesbians and women who refuse to obey male demands to once again put them before ourselves. It’s the men who have all their male privilege and power and who are saying they are women and Lesbians who I hate. Very much.

    • December 8, 2010 5:56 am

      Bev, I deleted Daisy’s comment because there will be no pro-trannie nonsense here. We have been more than willing to allow Daisy to join in when she is not promoting dick, but, I will not allow her to promote dick here and that is what she was doing. I guess it was time for her to renew her cred among the men. A shame really. She cries about being poor and how she is mistreated because of being poor (something I know from first hand experience, being poor that is, not her crying about, because she has that right) yet she gives men (the very people who cause most women to be poor) a free pass. Whatthefuckever.

    • December 8, 2010 12:16 pm

      It’s really insane the way everything gets so twisted and we’re the only ones to call it out. In the wide world, calling something male is the very opposite of calling it freakish. Male is the standard against which female is always lacking and grotesque. The idea that a few women who have pride in ourselves despite the slander against us in male-supremacist society have the power to label freakish that which everyone else prefers is absurd. We are simply saying that males are males.

      Only a man who fetishizes the subjugation of females would expect anyone to feel pity for him because he’s male and we won’t accept him as anything else. I guarantee you that if females were not preyed upon, raped, and subject to the sadism of males, none of these males would even want to be female. Yet we who are oppressed by it, with no choice in the matter, are supposed to feel sorry for males who get hard ons thinking of themselves in our position? It’s bullshit.

      If men have made those assholes feel like freaks, or if they know themselves, behind all the crocodile tears and self-pity, to be the exact depravity we know them to be, then that is not our fault. They should either confront the men who think they are freaks or stop doing that which they know to be depraved.

  24. December 8, 2010 6:00 am

    Thank you, Kitty! Prick-free zone! I just wish she would be specific and I’d answer. But obviously we are not against “freaks.” Just baiting, taunting crap, like the men.

    • December 8, 2010 6:12 am

      There are known “feminists” who have been around forever on the net who have some complaint or another about how someone will not let them in their group. They always complain upwards too, as in they whine about not being accepted in the white-middle-class fun feminist groups that used to be quite popular (I think people are mostly bored with them now especially since men know that they are no threat). Yet, they never miss an opportunity to shit down at us. They will shit on us in passing, or by not linking, or by not admitting we provoked their most recent posts, etc. Because even though they are not welcomed in the white-middle-class fun feminist groups they will not for a million bucks or a chance to be queen for a day soil themselves by risking being seen as women who put their interests before men. To put female’s interest before a male’s is the lowest of the low. Fuck all of those fucking sell-outs.

  25. December 8, 2010 6:25 am

    I agree, Kitty. Fuck them. This is a wonderful place to be — real, intense, courageous, and pro-female and pro-Lesbian and pro-Separatist. No male-worshipping here.

  26. December 8, 2010 6:34 am

    That’s great, FAB. Well said! It’s strange — these idiots have to know they would be nowhere if it wasn’t for the Seventies Lesbian Feminism. I’m not sure how old the one who wrote the “play” is, but her girlfriend who runs the open mic and allows in Elliott and is in the play is almost 70. She says she was a “rebel” for keeping her long hair in the Seventies (those Dykey-looking Dykes had so much power. I was in the community from 1970 on and a lot had long hair.) But her comment was right after Elliott’s “song” ridiculing short hair on Lesbians and how he likes long hair on women. She’s in a music group also where they sing a song supporting trannies too. Very middle class and patronizing.

    It might be a shock for them to see a group of the younger strong Separatists show up altogether. They would have to re-think a lot. They are so desperate to be trendy — they wouldn’t know what to do.

    • FAB4Life permalink
      December 8, 2010 6:52 am

      A play ostensibly making fun of lesbian separatism will only CREATE lesbian separatists. It’s like “Reefer Madness” or “Hells Bells: the Danger of Rock Music”. I love the idea of an anti-feminist tranny play! Nothing could help us more.

  27. December 8, 2010 10:26 pm

    Hi Soulsis,

    I certainly don’t want to offend, and basically have tried to honor what I’ve been told in the past. Twenty-five years ago I was in a Separatist group with Monifa Ajanaku, Vivienne Louise, and Linda Strega. Monifa very kindly and patiently explained to me and Linda why and how it was offensive to her and Vivienne when we used the terms “Black” and “white.” She sat next to me and put her arm next to mine and questioned if that is what our skin color was. I had felt it was a term of pride and was commonly used in this area. She explained how important it was to identify with continent or country of origin and asked us to never again use the terms “black” and “white.” Not long after, Linda was in a post office and a woman there proudly called herself “African-American, not black!”

    I really wanted to respond to your other post about “WOC,” because, again, I was patiently told that that was the preferred term when talking about women who were oppressed by racism. 40 years ago in this Lesbian Feminist community, the term was “Third World.” It seemed to me that in all radical movements of oppressed people there’s a change with growing awareness and politics, but also fads for a while (and it seems to have gone backwards with some Lesbians’ terms for Lesbian!) A white friend suggested “non-white,” but that was so criticized 40 years ago.

    So, I want to not offend, I want to support, and I want to fight racism. But I’m not sure what to do!

    I also wanted to say I’m so sorry that your friend dropped you when you tried to talk with her about racism. Of course, Black women are more oppressed by racism than Latinas. And of course the most dark-skinned are treated worse on so many levels in such a racist culture. Latina isn’t even a good term since it doesn’t differentiate those who are completely white from Indian from mixed from Black. I can’t find your thread! I wanted to respond more. It’s so unfair to lose a friendship over trying to have it be fair and equal.

    I also learned from Monifa and Vivienne about how upset they were at the racism in the “Lesbian of Color” community. They were furious when they went to Conferences for Lesbians and women “of Color,” which were run by very light-skinned Lesbians and women, who Monifa and Vivienne felt could and did otherwise pass as (as they said)”European-descent.”) These women (Michelle Cliff, with her “Reclaiming an Identity They Taught Me to Despise” comes to mind) weren’t just there — they were RUNNING it. Which I’m sure you know about, and which reminds me a bit of the trannies. I know it’s not the same at all because those men are still men in every way, but still — the arrogance of a relatively privileged person claiming an oppression while ignoring the woman there who is far more oppressed by that oppression.

    Sorry to go on. Please know I want to support you and not oppress or offend. I just felt I had to explain why I used the words I do.

    I really agree about the men and how they complain poverty and oppression when they have so very much privilege. The one who made sure his contract kept his male salary before he “transitioned” was classic. And of course here, the “National Center for Lesbian Rights,” with their unaffordable events (which make me and others know we’re not welcome) hired such a man as one of their lawyers instead of my Never-het, Separatist friend. No Lesbians for them.

    And yes, it’s a travesty to see what that testosterone does to the faces of women. Not to mention the balding! I’m hoping you’ll like my next article about all that. I love to see your writing.

  28. December 8, 2010 10:40 pm

    It gets confusing with what shows up when, to know how to respond. I mean, I only just saw Margaret’s post.

    I really agree with you, Margaret. They set up the standards for what’s normal or not. They decide who’s the freak (us.) And they confuse their own pornographic bizarre festishizing of females with their pretend masochism that’s really sadism — it’s all a show with them at the center of their perverted fantasy. (You should have seen when our very privileged recently married father neighbor suddenly began swanning around the streets in our neighborhood in a dress at midnight — probably picturing himself at the center of Lesbian adulation. Then he started appearing at Lesbian events as a “Lesbian.”)

    Sorry to go on. I can watch any movie horror or gore, but these men are beyond repulsive.

    Sadly, FAB, the play ridiculing Separatists won’t make more join us. That whole older group of “Feminists” completely support Elliott and any man who claims to be a woman. One of his supporters literally wished me to die of cancer last year and no one objected. They are a nasty bunch. When the writer of the play was at a Halloween party wearing a superman outfit with a dildo, she almost won best costume! (Luckily, Secondwaver was a judge and got it to be “scariest.” But really, she should have been ignored.) It’s those who wouldn’t go to such a play who are our best bet with reaching.

  29. December 9, 2010 1:11 am

    Completely agree, sis. Whatever “WOC” might have been in the past, it now serves as a way to invisibilize the distinctions in experience between nonwhite women who stray far from the Aryan standard and women who, but for a minor physical “exoticism” here or there, don’t really look any different from white people, or who, but for an accident of ancestry, real or imagined, wouldn’t even be calling themselves anything other than white.

    I actually think there’s a lot of self-hatred in a demand that we all recognize how much lighter a black woman’s skin is than the actual color black. Certainly, whenever I’ve encountered children who object to the term black, it has generally been half-breed children with one black parent or very light-skinned children with two black parents. They recognize that society treats them differently than darker-skinned people and so they want a racial term that doesn’t obscure their higher value on the whitemale supremacist market. They want to be called “golden” or “tan” or “brown,” or they want to be called “of color” (any color but black) or “of African descent” (but not one of those Africans whose skin is very close to black in color) or “partly of “African descent” (enough to give an “exotic” feature or two but not enough to give one skin that actually looks nearly black). Those phrases may be accurate on some level, but in lots of places, especially in the Americas, one could just about say that everyone is African-descent, since slaves were owned and raped over most of the Americas, everyone is European-descent, because of the rape of black female slaves and a good deal of black men chasing/raping nonblack women after that, and everyone is Native-descent since in large part the Native Americans who weren’t killed off or left isolated deep in South American jungles were raped by white males, participated in the enslavement and rape of black females, or otherwise mixed genes with the white interlopers and black slaves on their continent.

    I think it’s better to use terms that refer to one’s physical manifestation, rather than terms that refer to ancestry, since ancestry is not always visible to the naked eye.

    I’m glad to talk about this too. I was sad to see that you’d closed comments on that post, sis.

  30. December 9, 2010 5:29 am

    Soulsis and Margaret, I’m not sure if I should post on the other thread, but still don’t know how to reach it, and so want to answer you here. I understand what you mean and agree. But don’t want yous to think Monifa and Vivienne were sell-outs or self-hating in any way. They were proud of being dark-skinned, which is why they resented the privilege the lighter skinned women got. “Black” was the common term in this area at that time, so they were going against what was acceptable and expected to say what they did. I had listened to and read many Black women and Lesbians talk and write about racism, but heard new information from Monifa and Vivienne, and will always be grateful to them for that and the political work we did together.

    They used “WOC” only for general references to groups of women who weren’t white, but used African-descent or African-American for themselves.

    No of course I didn’t think all Black women were one, but I wanted to explain why I was using those terms so you didn’t think I was an idiot or deliberately insensitive. I was surprised at what they said too because Black to me had seemed to clearly be a term of pride on many levels, especially in a culture where being lighter is so stupidly valued.

    Yes, I would love to read what Margaret wrote. How do I find it?

    Anyway, I want to support you both in every way possible, which means trying to understand your decisions and politics. I felt reluctant to talk about it, to not irritate or offend you, but felt I had to answer when I clearly had offended you, Soulsis.

  31. December 9, 2010 1:53 pm

    This entry is fantastic soulsis, when you said further up the thread about it just being so … ballsy-looking is 200% spot on, I retched when I saw this picture. It’s a mutilation to say the very least.

    Thank you for writing it !

  32. December 10, 2010 1:47 am

    Hey, Soulsis, I’m in a rush now but wanted to say I will try to find the other threads to re-post. I’d answered here because I was referred to, but then we are always talking about everything. I love the support against female impersonators!

  33. December 10, 2010 2:30 am

    Sorry,but THAT does not look like a female vagina! The folds are usually smooth.THAT looks like a Turkey’s waddle to me. Plus, I read on a trans site recommending that before surgery they should get electrolysis on their balls because then hair will grow inside their “vagina”. I personally dont know any female that has hair growing inside her vagina.

    • December 10, 2010 3:03 am

      Oh my god, a friend of ours said the exact same thing about a turkey waddle. And, you know, even if they make their scrotum as hairless as possible, there is still a difference between skin that once grew hair and still has hair follicles, even if they’ve been electrocuted, and the tissue inside an actual vagina.

  34. December 11, 2010 10:34 pm

    Hello, patriarchal medicine. That photo needs a “this insults women” sticker.

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